what city do you not like?

Wonderful ... Southwestern archeology is a hobby of mine, too. Chaco is the ultimate, but there are many, many others in Utah, Arizona, and Colorado. Also, don't know if you knew this, but you can visit some of the Hopi mesas in Arizona, too. Fascinating. The village of Walpi was built by the Anasazi sometime around 1200 AD and several of the same families have been living there ever since. 800 years of unbroken generations.

I'd be happy to show you if you come to Arizona.

Wise choice

 

I never claimed to be giving lessons on manners.

And I don't care, I just think it's stupid to claim you don't like a city when you have spent no time there and simply passed through on the interstate. A lot of people don't like jacksonville and that's fine with me. But at least that is based on a formed opinion and not assumptions.

Further, Karen_J has some kind of hate complex when it comes to the south.. Even though she is a southerner, based on what I have read. A lot of the stuff she says are sweeping generalizations based on her own experiences. Which to be fair we all do. But I thought I'd explain why the jacksonville comments were silly.

 

I know exactly where that was. Used to live very close to that spot!

 

Yeah, all the big river bridges and downtown freeways in Charleston are cool. Have you noticed the freeway ramp that has a leg going down through the roof of a building? There's another freaky one that ramps up through a narrow alleyway, just inches from some upper level windows on both sides. That city has some of the most creative highway construction I've ever seen.

Charleston also has the nation's largest state capitol building, just south of downtown on the river, and north of the Chuck Yeager Bridge. The dome is almost as tall as the one on the US capitol.

Unfortunately, people who work downtown say the place is a hell hole, with unhealthy air and lots of violent street gangs. There are more toxic chemical plants in Charleston and Baton Rouge than anywhere else in the USA.

I wasn't going to bring it up, but I've also heard that northern (and northwestern) Florida has a lot of people with attitudes like yours. That's another big reason for me to stay the hell out.

I'll bet you hate Savannah, with all its diversity and inclusiveness, especially around the riverfront. That's my kind of town.

 

My attitude is straight DC.. I've mellowed out a lot but when I first came down here everyone thought I was an asshole. Now it only comes out occasionally, like when people say shit that isn't true but they are convinced it is.

And wrong again, I like Savannah. A shit ton of people from jacksonville hang out there regularly so I'm surprised you like it.

 

What part? When I'm in that area, I always spend the night in Alexandria, and sometimes take the boat to Georgetown. After long days in Washington, I need to head someplace calmer in the evenings. I like most of the people I've met in Alexandria.

You set me up perfectly for another Jacksonville insult, but I'm going to pass this time.

 

Richmond VA is boring as shit. Spent a week there and the whole place was just.....depressing.

 

Mine is San Francisco. Too many asians, too many attention seeking homosexuals, too many homeless, smell of piss in most places, bad weather and high gas prices. It's one of the few places in America, that's not anything like America. It's full of foreigners

Market street which is bang in the center of the city is one of the worst places for the smell of piss. What strange is that the people there think "oh that's just the way San Fran is", and don't view it as something that needs to be changed. They're not even embarrassed about it!

 

I'm glad you posted here :biggrin: Local 'experts' are the best! And no, I don't know shit about where you can't go and where you can. I can imagine kiva's are offlimit and also heard (and saw pics) of families visiting old cave dwellings and kids climbing in there in the 50's/60's and that you can't do that either anymore. Nevertheless, those places all sound mighty intriguing. I bet I could stay in your area alone for months and not be bored. But yeah, I've had a fascination for the american southwest (both nature and history) since I was a kid (and it is still there)

 

The region is better than the city itself. Drive out of town in any direction, and you're in a magical fantasy world of incredible beauty. The city has a lot of scary people. The homeless will get in your face, and demand money. San Francisco's extreme liberals won't tolerate putting them in jail (or in mental health facilities) for harassing and intimidating tourists.

And...one more thing...to set the record straight...

I don't know where you got the idea that I think NC is some kind of great liberal oasis in the South, but I know better. It's just a little better than average. Asheville is liberal, but not tolerant. If you're a different kind of liberal from the majority, they hate you. Chapel Hill is politically liberal, but not socially. Charlotte is the birthplace of Billy Graham, and the former home of Jim Bakker and his weird PTL complex. Need I say more?

The true liberal Southern oasis is New Orleans; a great place to visit, a very dysfunctional place to live. Lesser amounts of that tolerance can be found in Atlanta, Savannah, Key West, and to some degree, Miami and Myrtle Beach. That's all.

If somebody here listed the city where I work (I won't post the name) as a place they hate, I wouldn't argue the point. It's a clean, safe, affordable, and comfortable place to have a normal daily life and career, but it has nothing to offer visitors. All of the heavily populated middle third of the state is that way.

 

I lived all over the area, west of the district in nova and in nw. Of course you would stay in old town and take a walk down m street and think you understand the dc culture. Lol.. Ok lady.

 

my kinda place!- -NYC of the early 70,s!

 

So you think you just broke down the entire southeast in a paragraph? You are something else. And I wasn't talking about liberalism, but the pompous type attitude you display about much of the south and you break it down in a very black and white way. I've spent a ton of time in nc, my dad is from there. I like the place quite a bit but you are certainly not free from trash and ignorance.

You talk about savannah being liberal and tolerant, on what grounds? The partying and drinking on the street? I mean what criteria do you have in your mind for this kind of stuff? The pseudo sophisticated yuppie crowd? The community where I live is more tolerant and open than savannah, but we can only drink en masse on the streets about 10 times per year.

 

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Dev, what I find funny is this thread is about stating the dislike for a city. It does not even have to be rational. But you go against it with all your might (or that is how it seems).
And even if we never visited a city we can still have a negative opinion on it (Las Vegas, Mexico city are some examples I could think of). And we could even find valid arguments for it. Not that it matters in the end (in this thread at least), because you don't have to agree at all

 

Oh god Asmo, here we go. Look I didn't even start this debate. She said she hated Jax upon first sight from the highway. Then undies said something about it, then I chimed in with my point of view and explained it's the largest land mass city in the US outside of 2 cities in Alaska.. Kind of hard to see what it's about from I95. There were just too many generalizations and continue to be too many. So it's turned into a fun debate.

 

I would probably base my opinion on both Las Vegas and Mexico city on generalizations as well

 

palm bay does suck,, but it's not that bad. downtown Melbourne is awesome actually, I think you'd like it.

shit cities I've been to,,,

#1 flint,MI,, used to live there downtown,, gm moved out 20 some years ago, it is a huge wasteland, crackwhores everywhere, and crackheads all over the place. the ppl running the city smoke crack (some of them) cops don't give a fuck, if you get mugged expect to wait 3 hours or so for the cops to arrive.,, if they ever arrive

then,, Detroit-if you know what raves to go to, it's fun,, other than that, stay away, it sucks
dallas-almost got mugged at the greyhound bus stop, that was enough for me screw that place
L.A.-2 dayz there, enough, Hollywood sucks too, don't go there
Cleveland-when I went through there, it just looked like a less run-down version of flint.
grand rapids,MI-sucks
fort pierce,fl- rode my bike 60 miles to get there. only good thing there is the jetty (beach) other than that,, no reason to be there
on the iffy i'd have to put san fransisco, it has it's good points, and it's bad points, it's a crazy place. don't think there is anywhere like it

 

"We're tolerant, diverse, and inclusive here in Savanah, unlike those fucking red-neck bigot bible thumping assholes down in Jacksonville!"

 

You don't know what I've done on my 20+ trips to Washington, because I haven't told you.

What parts? Coast? Mountains? Cities?

Just the vibe I get from a few days spent there, and from talking to other people who have been there, and from some books and movies and TV shows made about the place. A lot of people started paying more attention to Savannah after "Forest Gump" but there's a lot more inside info on the town in "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil".

I think I saw that swamp on the north side pretty good from the highway. Next time, do I need to stop and interview each individual alligator?

Savannah people, you owe me money.

 

You would be hard-pressed to find a major metro area in the United States where this is not true. There is one city in the West, however, where historically you see very few panhandlers in the downtown district. You would probably be surprised to learn which one.

This is a terribly narrow-minded and shortsighted remark. The homeless population in American cities rose significantly when the policy of mainstreaming the mentally ill began decades ago. And one could also point out that Republican Administrations typically cut back, or try to cut back, on federal budgets for mental treatment, which results in still further homeless.

At any rate, however, it has very little if anything to do with "San Francisco's extreme liberals."