What Are Your Views On The Death Penalty

I would hope that there are differant ways of dealing with bullying than blasting them to oblivion. Restraining orders,for one.

 

No problem with it.

 

ya i know he did, but in his head they were criminals.in his head their crime was being born.i was just thinking on a deeper level bout it.

 

The prob imo is that even if you give a serial killer/mass murderer life with no parole there's no guarantee some future governor or ruler won't pardon them as soon as someone crosses their palm with silver......they shoot mad dogs for a reason...

 

nope.

not gonna support state sanctioned murder.

even if it were the moral thing to do.

even if it was a deterrent.

innocent people would still get it in the neck, on occasion.

so no.

i reckon the function of the legal system should always be to protect the public, not to exact revenge on their behalf.

 

ok

 

One dosen't shoot a mad dog for revenge, but rather to protect the public.

As far as innocent folk are concerned it seems far more are killed as a result of murder than mistaken execution.

 

if you put that mad dog in a cage, the public is equally protected, and there's no blood on your hands.

undeniably true, but why should we add to the list of deliberately killed people?

 

>>why not? society has a right to self defense. the Bible says thou shalt not commit murder not thou shall not kill.

 

Ah, an interpretation of some religious book. That always guarantees awesome points of view.

 

What is the source of your idea that killing is wrong under all conditions?

 

Rationality. Compassion.

 

the bible says all sorts of things, but for fucks sake, lets not have another of those threads.

a person who suffers the death sentence will, on average, have been in the legal system for a very long time. some will have been on death row itself for over a decade.



if someone is already locked up and kept away from you, how on earth can you possibly justify having someone kill them for you as an act of self defence?

the remit of "self defence" has been fulfilled as soon as they are incarcerated, anything more than that can only be offence.

 

Again, there is no guarantee nor can there be any that they will not be released at some point in the future. Are you telling me there is something under the sun that a politician won't do for either power or gold?

 

are you telling me that you have so little faith in the legal/political system that you think that the only way to protect the public from it is to grant it the power to kill people?

 

The murderer might have parents, children or whatever loved ones too. They'll be happy if he gets released. And they'll be sad if he gets slaughtered by the government.
What about those, or are the feelings of others irrelevant to you?

 

The feelings of his future victims and their kin are more relevant to my way of thinking. Please keep in mind I'm talking of convicted mass and/or serial murders not your average garden variety killer.

 

Still, I don't think you are the one to decide who deserves to live and who doesn't.

 

so, let me get this straight:

we're not talking about killing a guy who killed someone, say, over money or cause he shagged his wife, or killed a couple of people in a robbery or something run of the mill like that.

we're talking about a guy who kills repeatedly, primarily for pleasure or some obscure reason, will definitely kill again if he's let out, shows no remorse for his crimes, no empathy for his victims or their families.

a fred west or a ted bundy or someone like that.

is this the distinction?

and if so, doesn't it seem like our decision whether or not a person should be killed by the state is predicated on the degree to which they are mentally ill?

these are diagnoses which would sometimes save someone from execution on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

i'm not trying to straw man you here, i genuinely would like to know what you think should separate the murderer who should be murdered from the murderer who shouldn't be murdered.

 

Now you've got it. Under our current system there can be no absolute gaurantee they'll never get lose to continue their murder and mayham.