What are your politics?

Discussion in 'Psychedelics' started by Weatherman, Aug 29, 2005.

  1. Weatherman

    Weatherman Member

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    I'm interested in hearing what the politics of all you drug smoking hippies are!
     
  2. SliceNDice

    SliceNDice Member

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    So... what does this have to do with psychedelic drugs?
     
  3. Weatherman

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    Nothing, except I'm only interested in the politics of people who use psychedelic drugs in these forums. That's why it's not in the politics forum. And also because it might create some interesting discussion.
     
  4. Zaruthustra

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    From time to time, often when I'm really high, I consider a society where you where use of marijuana was not only legal, but mandatory. Of course so things didn't become nasty and authoritarian you'd need anyone holding public office to be regularly dosed with LSD, and cops would need to take MDMA.
     
  5. The Flow

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    Shulgin once wrote, that if ever a plus4 drug was found, this would be the end of further evolution.

    I guess, that in a society where you have to take certain drugs regularly (reminds me a little of Huxley´s "Brave new world"), almost the same thing would happen...
     
  6. Maggie Sugar

    Maggie Sugar Senior Member

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    Bwahahahha. That was great. They could use a little empathy. Thank you!
     
  7. 2cesarewild

    2cesarewild I'm an idiot.

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    Fuck the science of power, I'm more concerned with the science of smoking blunts.
     
  8. Eugene

    Eugene Senior Member

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    Liberterian socialist sounds like an oxymoron.
     
  9. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    I'm sort of a Liberal Neo-Con, so I have a hard time finding common ground here... or anywhere. [​IMG]

    *Conservative fiscally and militarily, and socially liberal*
     
  10. Weatherman

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    Libertarian was originally a word that was synonymous with anarchist (and still is in Europe I believe). Nowadays the term Libertarian Socialists tends to mean more than just an anarchist, including things like council communism, libertarian marxism, or even some trotskyists.
     
  11. nesta

    nesta Banned

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    i dont think brave new world was such a bad scenario as a lot of people make it out to be, flow....

    i mean, come on...pretty much everyone is happy with their lot, and if they aren't they're sent to a place full of people like themselves - individuals! where you can be what you want to be...the islands are places of liberty for those who earn it by challenging the social norms, and for the sheeplike masses the soma and conditioning provides for a content, easy life without struggle
     
  12. 2cesarewild

    2cesarewild I'm an idiot.

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    Where did Flow post? I don't see his post on the thread...
     
  13. Shaman420

    Shaman420 Herbalist

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    I'd say I'm an anarcho-primitivist or maybe an anarcho-socialist but thats pushing it. I think the conceptual idea behind anarcho-socialism is utopian and thats what draws me to it, but its way too theoretical and not realistic in the least bit. Marxism to me isn't utopian its too controlled but thats just my perception. I guess the safest thing to say would be I'm anarchist who believes if the people don't bring down civilization soon then its going to cave in on itself and be far more disasterous.
     
  14. Weatherman

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    Like most "liberatarians," you have a historical recollection that goes back three generations. Pick up a history book. Proudhon, a socialist, was the first to use to the term libertarian, to describe his political/economic philosophy. He contrasted his libertarian socialism with Marx's authoritarian socialism.
     
  15. EllisDTripp

    EllisDTripp Green Secessionist

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    Yes, there is a big difference between "small-L" libertarian socialists (AKA anarchists of some stripe) and "Capital-L" Libertarians (AKA Libertarian Party).
     
  16. Blind_Melon_Chitlin'

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    Left center, I have mostly of liberal views yet I think that political correctness and some other things are a load of bullshit so that keeps me from being completely liberal.
     
  17. EllisDTripp

    EllisDTripp Green Secessionist

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    The word "Libertarian" means something quite different in the USA than it does in the rest of the world.

    Only in the USA is the term (capitalized) used to refer to fans of the "Free Market Uber Alles", Ayn Rand, etc. AKA Republicans who smoke dope...:)

    I think that the big problem is that "libertarian" rightly refers to a SOCIAL philosophy, not an ECONOMIC philosophy. Hence the need for a term like "libertarian socialist" to refer to an overall left anarchist POV. I suppose the US Libertarian party could be called "libertarian capitalists".

    http://www.politicalcompass.org

    does a pretty good job of separating the economic and social axes, and showing where your personal beliefs fit on a 4-quadrant map. FWIW, my results are:

    Economic Left/Right: -8.75
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79
     
  18. soaringeagle

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    theres no option for tribal utopitarian
     
  19. mushie18

    mushie18 Intergalactic

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    very liberal.
     
  20. Orsino2

    Orsino2 Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    I've had that same thought both when I was under the influence and not under the influence of anything.
     

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