What About Mixed Economies?

Aren't mixed economies of some sort basically what most developed countries have including the U.S? So do Socialist prefer a pure socialist system or are you open to a mixed economy that leans more Socialist?

The Norwegian Mixed economy | SPCC

 

Most socialists support Capitalism in some areas myself included. It is the deception and lies of the elite that try to paint that as supporting a dictatorship that is censored in many areas. To paint it as 100% one thing and not the other. Those elite have the most to loose so it makes sense they will tell the people that serve them that there is no better system.

 

I don't really know any socialists
Most people to the left of center are in favor of a mixed economy that allows small businesses to flourish.

But I know a lot of dumb people who like to label everyone slightly to the left of center as socialists

These are of course people who benefit from living in a mixed economy even though they'll never admit it

 

I am for lots of social programming along with capitalism. But there need to be some pretty vast changes. Like what's this feeling I get about corporations being in the business of buying representation in Congress with large campaign donations. Weird. That should be disallowed.

 

I thought socialism was a form of government. You can't have a socialist government and a capitalist economy?

 

I honestly don't believe that people really know what the differences are, they just throw all these political terms around. Left wing, right wings. It's all bullshit to me. Ain't no wings. Just a buncha politicians man.

 

Hot wings

 

Back tat angel wings.

 

lol.

 

Technically pure socialism is when the people own the means to production

But of course we all know that has never happened, it just ends up with the government owning the means of production and screwing over most of the people.

I think socialism in terms of social programs in successful western countries is a bit of a misnomer - what means of production does the government own when it provides a safety net? Even in healthcare government only act as the payer for healthcare, there's only like 2 countries in the world where the government actually owns and runs the healthcare system

But politicians realized back in the 50s they could invoke a lot of fear with the term socialism and communism and so it is incorrectly applied today to disingenuously convince Americans that people in Canada have to wait two years for surgery, or whatever. So that we'll keep voting against our own self interests out of fear of the big bad wolf called socialism

 

solialism
communism
nationalism
republican
etc.

it's just all fancy for terms for governments that want to take your money who make out like they are in it for you, but they're in it for themselves.

 

Epicureanism would be a good form of Government. Now I've got to google it to see what it means.

 

Aesirism, that's the one for me.

 

Doesn't it have something to do with food?

Now thats a political philosophy I can get behind

 

It stems form Epicurus' philosophy that what is best in life consists of the greatest pleasure for all, but that that depends on modesty, self-restraint and understanding the World.

 

You can when you limit what us it allowed to be capitalist. For example health care and education being viewed as a "right" like guns instead of a free market. Socialism and Capitalism balance each other out. The long term natural flow of Capitalism is what we see in America now. Only a few people can win and eventually no one else can. The idea of a middle class is not possible long term unless you tax the rich heavily and expect more from them. They understood this in ancient Greece. No matter how smart you are or how hard you work your wealth does not exist without Athens. Therefore you owe Athens more than the common man.

 

Ah, I was off.

That does sound like a really useful philosophy to use in politics though.

 

I may not be quite as extreme as you are, but definitely lean in your direction. The evil of governments is in direct proportion to the extent government promises “to help you”. China, the Soviet Union, now Venezuela, which made the most extravagant promises to people failed the worst (ok, Venezuela has not yet descended into maniacal murder, but they are very repressive and people are increasingly desperate to leave what, not long ago, was Latin America’s wealthiest nation).

To coin a phrase (not) the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money. Then things get really nasty.

 

Those same people don't even know what socialism is.
They define it as a small group of people taking all the power, excluding everyone else, and stealing everyone's money until it collapses in failure.

You can't argue with people who won't educate themselves beyond cold war era propaganda and conspiracy sites.