What’s needed to stop an American dictatorship?

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  1. newo

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    If Trump gets re-elected it gives him a mandate. If that doesn't form a dictatorship it will come close.
     
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  2. Dax

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    Not a true reflection ... sorry.
     
  3. Tishomingo

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    BrotherTrudgin. What's with all your concern that the poor aren't working hard enough for their daily bread, that the Dems are all out to give them something for nothing, and that someone with a prior existing condition might get medical care needed to save his/her life? A good Christian must free himself of such material concerns and be thankful for what he has. You say your are, but who can believe you when you seem so obsessed about what others are given. Instead of being so worried about the speck in the freeloaders' eye, you'd be better off giving attention to the Beam that's in your own eye. (Mat.7:3). Perhaps you should consider changing churches.
     
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  4. Tishomingo

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    I think the "righties" fall guilty to the phenomenon psychologists call "projection": attributing their own traits to their opponents. Since they, themselves, tend to be selfish in their orientation, they find it difficult to conceive of anyone actually embracing a policy for altruistic rather than selfish reasons. Thus people who favor a just social order in which there are safety nets and any inequalities must be shown to work to the benefit of society's "least advantaged" must really be envious of the well-to-do. I doubt that's true. I'm pretty well satisfied with my life and don't envy those who have more. But I am concerned about the growing inequalities in our society. Until something is done about them, I'm afraid "peace" is a utopian dream. My God is a God of justice, concerned about the poor and afflicted. (Deuteronomy 10:18; 24:17; 27:19; Amos, 5:24)
     
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  5. newo

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    I’ve been through this before – with the person that said lefties are envious of the guy driving a Maserati

    It seems to me that the problem with the ‘envy’ argument against lefties is that it seems more like projection (edit: As Tish also points out)

    The people presenting it are the ones that are focused on having stuff so they can’t imagine people for which that is not so important – they can only think in terms of self-interest so they can't imagine people who are concerned for others - they are greedy so they cannot understand those that are altruistic.

    And it goes the other way I don’t understand their envy, greed and selfishness.

    I don’t get angry at some guy in a Maserati – I do get angry that people don’t have access to decent healthcare when its needed -I do get angry at those been exploited on low wages that are having to go to food banks to survive.

    And I don’t understand why people would want to prioritize having a Maserati over having a society where children don’t have to go to bed hungry…
     
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  7. Balbus

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    What accomplishments had the baby born into advantage achieved?

    You (as many other right wingers do) keep banging on about earning your position in society through hard work, personal graft, ones own achievement.and making as an individual the right choices.

    How do you reconcile that with getting advantages that the person did nothing to earn?

    And as you say no person can choose to be born into advantage or disadvantage so is it justified that someone born into advantage should keep exclusive rights to advantages they didn’t earn when someone else through no fault of their own is born into disadvantage?
     
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    LOL – this is very close to the old justification for inequality used by the advantaged before they latched onto the ideas of Social Darwinism

    That it was all down to god – if you were born a noble that was god’s plan if you were born a peasant that was god’s plan and therefore that was where god wanted you and therefore you should be grateful for that.

    And the second part of that was you shouldn’t fight against gods plan to do so would be to go against god.

    The advantaged had the wealth and the power because god thought them deserving of it and the poor and powerless because god though they deserved that. And with the priesthood and propaganda on wealth’s side they could even convince many that it was true.

    It is why Marx called religion the opium of the masses at that time many religions had become a tool of the establishment and was a sedative feed to the supressed to keep them quiet and compliant

    It worked until science began to take hold and the power of religion began to wane and that is when wealth began pushing the junk science of Social Darwinism

    God was replaced with genes – the wealthy deserved there position because they were superior humans and the poorer were inferior humans - the superior were more intelligent, worked harder had better morals and the inferior were in their position because they lacked intelligence, were lazy and lacked morals.

    And that been 'natura'l and a 'scientific fact' meant it shouldn’t be faught against and with wealth sponsored right wing think tanks and propaganda many could even be convince that that was true.
     
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  10. newo

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    A federal judge on Thursday said New York state prosecutors could have access to President Donald Trump's accounting records for a criminal investigation, meaning they could get ahold of them before the election.

    To top that off, Steve Bannon was among four suspects arrested Thursday and indicted in connection with an online fundraising campaign to build a wall along the Mexican border that allegedly defrauded donors of hundreds of thousands of dollars, the Justice Department announced. This has already been a horrible day for the Orange man.
     
  11. newo

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    Here we go again.

    Obama rescued the country from the Great Recession, cutting the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.7% over six years

    Signed the Affordable Care Act which provided health insurance to over 20 million uninsured Americans

    Ended the war in Iraq

    Ordered the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden

    Supported veterans through a $78 billion tuition assistance GI bill

    Saved the U.S. auto industry

    Helped put the U.S. ontrack for energy independence

    Etc. etc. But of course all that don't mean shit, right?
     
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  12. Tishomingo

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    I disagree. From the outset, he had to struggle with the legacy of recession, second only to the Great Depression, left to him by G.W. Bush, and then the agreement among Republicans in congress from the outset to obstruct them at every turn. From that perspective, he did well, although Trump has systematically tried to dismantle his legacy. His American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 200 stabilized the market and prevented millions of Americans from getting laid off. The Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and the Consumer Protection Act, passed during his first year in office, introduced regulations to protect the American consumer; eliminate executive pay that rewarded reckless executives; and armed the US Federal Reserve with tools to go after recalcitrant banks and institutions. He pulled troops out of Iraq, invested in green and renewable energy, terminated Bin Laden, helped to close the gender pay gap via the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, and of course put through Obamacare, which still seems to be popular but Trump is in court trying finally to dismantle. Unemployment fell from 9% when Obama took office to below 5% when he left. (Guess what. It's back up to over 11%). Most importantly, he conducted himself with the dignity and integrity in keeping with the office, unlike the scumbag who currently occupies it.
     
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  13. scratcho

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    Blame McConnell for not allowing any House passed bills to even come to a vote. 300 hundred or so bills. Not to mention Obamas pick for the supreme court.
     
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    You are talking about Trump, right?
     
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  15. MeAgain

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    That's what I thought.
     
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  16. unfocusedanakin

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    America has millions of people who have worked 60 hour blue collar weeks for decades. They didn't need a liberal college or the debt but for some reason they can still barley pay their bills. Most of them will never ask why. If only the Democrats would go away they would get the real rewards of their work.
     
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  17. Tishomingo

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    Not an informative response... Sorry.
     
  18. Dax

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    Thats what you say.
     
  19. scratcho

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    ooooo----powerfull response!!
     
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  20. Tyrsonswood

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    Yes... It does look like he said that. Amazing powers of observation.
     
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