What’s needed to stop an American dictatorship?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Jun 11, 2020.

  1. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    The Trump Presidency and the recent behaviour the Republican Party have highlighted the faultlines in the US political system that could if left unchecked could put that very system in danger of being subverted.

    What needs to be done to stop that from happening if anything?
     
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  2. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    Well the obvious answer is to vote him out of office. And it's best if he's beaten in a landslide so he can't claim it was rigged. Otherwise we may have to drag him out of the White House in handcuffs. Then again, he might be happy to put the presidency behind him, though he'll never admit it.
     
  3. wrat

    wrat Member

    What NEEDS to be done absolutely nothing if Trump gets elected OK if Trump gets beat OK , after 4 more years he is out and then move on, Trust the process, if its found that Trump did illegal stuff prosecute him until then its accusations, oversimplification yep but still applies
     
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  4. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat

    Wow this shows an incredible amount of naivety or of just not been very well informed.

    Are you honestly saying you have seen no problems with the political system of the US that have recently been highlighted?

    NOTHING – you think everything is going well? Voter suppression maybe, what about using the DOJ going after political enemies and rewarding political friends? Packing courts maybe…..i could go on.

    In a democracy the best thing is to not elect into office the kind of people who show tendencies that indicate they would have no problem in setting up an authoritarian state, remember the Nazis got voted into power then took away the ability to vote them out of office.

    But then I remember you’ve basically said you’re the kind of person that would probably have no problem with having an authoritarian regime in place if is suited you.
     
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  5. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    To be going on – here are few things I thought would be good to look at

    Gerrymandering and voter suppression and the need for it to not just been stopped but reversed

    The Presidential appointment system needs to be overhauled,

    The electoral college system needs to be overhauled - Proportional Representation?
     
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  6. wrat

    wrat Member

    "Democrats started the Gerrymandering and hate it now. Gerrymandering districts has a long history in the United State
    The Supreme Court has declined to outlaw partisan gerrymandering — saying only states can police that — but it also removed a key safeguard against the practice by gutting the Voting Rights Act in 2013"

    I support showing an ID to vote. we also need to stop illegal's and dead people from voting

    Keep the EC as it stands
     
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  7. erofant

    erofant Members

    The best thing is to get EVERYONE REGISTERED TO VOTE …………… and then GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE HIM OUT !!!!!

    Right NOW ………….. people should be getting registered - not waiting until the last minute when "red tape" can clog voters' rights. GO NOW and GET REGISTERED !!!!!!!

    Get RID of the electoral college!!!! The popular vote should be the law of the land ……….. period. If the majority of people in any state vote for a candidate, and then the delegates in that state give the votes to another person - that's STEALING THE ELECTION !!!!!!! Any way you slice it.

    If we can land Mars rovers softly on Mars & then take video of the surface of Mars - we can establish a voting system that ACCURATELY reflects voters' wishes. IMO - paper confirmation that immediately shows your electronic votes will work when we aren't in a pandemic situation. With the corona pandemic still going on - MAIL-IN BALLOTS are the way to go. Rump can cry "fraud" all he wants, but independent studies have shown ONLY a couple hundred incidences nation-wide over years. His claims of "millions" of fraudulent votes are ALL LIES. Just baseless LIES which he spews constantly. Rump LOST the popular vote to Hillary ………… but the narcissist-in-chief can't stomach that, so he drums up his own version which has "millions" of fraudulent votes cast for his opponent. It's a LIE - RUMP is the fake.

    As of now, 4 former Chairmen of The Joint Chiefs of Staff ( for both Democratic and Republican Presidents) have all come out against Rump with General Colin Powell saying Rump has strayed away from the Constitution. As has General Kelly, who was Rump's White House Chief of Staff. Even one of the former White House Press Secretaries - Mr. Scaramucci (sp?) - wants to see Rump thrown out.

    Can anyone recall ANY past sitting President that has had so many inner circle people speak out strongly against him??? What does THAT tell you???????
     
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  8. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat

    "Democrats started the Gerrymandering and hate it now. Gerrymandering districts has a long history in the United State The Supreme Court has declined to outlaw partisan gerrymandering — saying only states can police that — but it also removed a key safeguard against the practice by gutting the Voting Rights Act in 2013" I support showing an ID to vote. we also need to stop illegal's and dead people from voting Keep the EC as it stands

    OK so you would want to stop Gerrymandering?

    You want to have voter suppression?

    Where is the evidence for supposed illegal's and dead people voting?

    Why would you want to keep the Electoral College the way it is when it clearly isn’t working democratically?
     
  9. wrat

    wrat Member

    Im actually on the fence Ive read both schools of thought on gerrymandering so I probably dont care enough about it to make a concrete stand except for the fact IF it becomes illegal it must stop...

    https://www.libertyheadlines.com/states-refuse-clean-voter-rolls/

    No fraud? Pennsylvania county settles lawsuit over voter rolls that included nearly 1,600 dead people

    Judicial Watch Sues Pennsylvania for 800K Inactive Voters on Voter Rolls

    https://nypost.com/2017/07/14/the-vote-fraud-that-democrats-refuse-to-see/

    Hell I live in the state of hanging chads jeezzz

    How many times has the EC come into play? 5 times in over 200 years, the system works it does EXACTLY what its intended...
    IF your talking about abolishing it you will fall on deaf ears here
     
  10. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment

    "The sitting president can do whatever he wants if he believes it is in the national interest."





    If this does not worry the shyt out of people, they are not paying attention....
     
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  11. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat

    Your sources for your claim that there is widespread and significant voter fraud some were political opinion pieces in

    Libertyhealine – right wing and know for pushing dubious facts

    BizPacReview –right wing and know for pushing dubious facts

    BREITBART – right wing and know for pushing dubious facts

    New York Post – right wing and know for pushing dubious facts

    Anyway I read the first two from Liberty and BPR and they are puff pieces neither actually prove electoral fraud is taking place and the first was based mainly on a report that is not about fraud at all but the inefficiency of the present system and calls for its reform, which I’d agree with but again no proof of fraud. Second one again suggestions of fraud but no proof of fraud just poorly maintained voter lists.

    Thing is that as reported by the Brennan Center for justice at the New York University School of Law put it in The Truth About Voter Fraud, they found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003percent and 0.0025 percent.

    https://www.brennancenter.org/sites.../Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

    Basically this is a political tactic been used to convince the gullible to support voter suppression as Lorraine C. Minnite a professor of political science and author of The Myth of Voter Fraud, has put it

    Are fraudulent voters undermining U.S. elections? The simple answer is no. Rather, the threat comes from the myth of voter fraud used to justify rules that restrict full and equal voting rights.

    The Voter Fraud Myth
     
  12. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    War

    Thing is that many would see gerrymandering as voter fraud, that actually exists – so why are you not opposed to it, while believing in the myth of significant voter fraud?

    What was it intended for?

    Is it a good thing in your view that two of the last three U.S. Presidents — Donald Trump and George W. Bush — were elected to their position without winning the popular vote
     
  13. Flagme15

    Flagme15 Members

    and the SCOTUS pretty much agrees with him.
     
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  14. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

    Impeachment? :)
     
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  15. John1971

    John1971 Members

    I generally like to avoid discussing politics at certain places, but the Republicans have used other.dishonest methods besides gerrymandering. I am in a district that tends to lean Democrat. So about ten years ago, the city commission voted to move voting in my area from a school to a senior center, citing handicap access as the reason. The Republicans in the council voted for it, the Democrats against it. The school has plenty of parking, plus there are other facilities nearby that let people park there on voting day. The senior center, however, has maybe a dozen parking spots, and the only other building nearby is a small public library with about a dozen more. So voting has gone from having nearly 80 parking spots to only about 24, just so the handicap can have access. And in all the voting I've done since the move, I have seen a whopping two people in wheelchairs. None with walkers or anything else that would require special access. Saw a lot more when it was at the school.
     
  16. wilsjane

    wilsjane Members

    How about just letting our Queen set up a US office to stabilize the country.?
    Politicians on both sides would soon feel her handbag and she would quickly find a way of putting corrupt police the other side of their prison bars.

    People often fail to see what our royal family have done to benefit the country and it's people over the years, particularly in our relationship with countries such as India, Australia and Canada..
     
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  17. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    The problem with America is, is that it's full of Americans.
     
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  18. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Members


    Hmmm - exploiting them for their mineral wealth and vast amounts of 'cheap' labour !!!
     
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  19. wilsjane

    wilsjane Members

    Do tell me more.
    We neither exploit Australia of Canada, neither do we import goods from them produced by slave labor.
    We have also helped India grow commercially, from things like giving trains to their railways and helping design and build fresh water and sewage systems. A high percentage of the film equipment that resulted in the birth of Bollywood was also donated by the UK.
    Indian people working in the UK also have the same opportunities and salaries as everyone else.
     
  20. Vladimir Illich

    Vladimir Illich Members


    You're looking only at 'now', go back in history when 'we' founded, discovered, invaded, conquered these countries and then denuded them of their mineral wealth and exploited that wealth, to the detriment of the indigenous population, produced goods from that mineral wealth and sold it back to these countries at inflated prices.
     

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