weigh in on political issues

Discussion in 'Dreadlocks' started by natural philosophy, Aug 31, 2009.

  1. daisymelan

    daisymelan Professional fence sitter

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    Although I feel our bodies are prime for having children as young as 15... I do not think people at the age of 15 that live in our society are mentally, emotionally or financially able to provide for their children in the best possible way. I'm not saying it's not done very well by some women, I'm just saying that most ppl that live in the developed world are not ready to become a parent.

    But I think education is the key. Proper sex education should be provided by both the parent and the schooling system so that children are very aware of their bodies and how to prevent making babies. Teaching abstinence only is absolutely useless... Not to mention the various diseases, etc that have been on the rise since the abstinence program took hold (along with teenage pregnancy).

    Without abortion clinics, people would find their own way of performing them... and that scares me more than clinics.

    I agree with Lux though, those cells are equal to a baby. But I do not feel it is my right to tell someone what to do with their body. That's what makes living in the free world so great.

    Edited to add: I didn't learn much else other than reading and writing. Our schools are set up to award people that test well. I could cram for an exam and do awesome. I would wake up the next day and not remember a lick of what I had learned. The testing system is very flawed.
     
  2. <Brew>

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    daisymelan, I think i love you
     
  3. daisymelan

    daisymelan Professional fence sitter

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    Awww.. e-hug. =)
     
  4. hellodreadhead

    hellodreadhead Beta as fuck

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    No one said they did. You yourself have a beautiful life don't you? I for one wouldn't have an abortion for the reason that a child would "stop me from living". But I would have an abortion if I was in a grave financial position because that also isn't fair to bring a child into poverty and neither is having a child and putting it in care til it's 16 with no constant role model and no family because the social see every potential adoptive parent as unfit. These children usually (but not always) lead very unstable adult lives and I'd rather have an abortion than set a child up for failure in care.
     
  5. pypes

    pypes Hot alien babes

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    Poverty > being killed by your mother.
     
  6. Domikatetrix

    Domikatetrix if your naaaaaaaaaaasty

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    socialized medicine? no comment
    abortion? its a womens choice who are we to tell someone becuase we dont believe in abortion ur gonna be forced to have a child although i would never have an abortion its not for me to judge or choose whter someone can have an abortion so im pro-choice
    gun control? oh boy, i believe we should be able to own guns but i believe that there should be a certain amount of precuation before we are allowed to aqquire the guns, like pysh evaluation, reason for wanting gun, proper stoarge and sfe keeping for the gun, regristraion
    marijuana prohibition? i think that marijuana isnt good but no worse then acohol so why not legilize it so the goverment can put a tax on it just like acohol
    drug prohibition in general? other drugs = bad should stay legal
    capitalism in general? no comment
    social welfare? no comment
    the education system? not enough of our taxcs are goin g into education
    legal drinking age? 18 if u can get drafted at 18 u should be allowed to have a beer
    the electoral college?no comment
     
  7. gretaoto

    gretaoto Senior Member

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    I disagree with this. I don't understand who you think is going to take care of and provide for that baby when the mother or father can't or don't want too. The child ends up suffering in the end because there is no one there to give them proper love attention and needs. I know this from family experience and I always believe NO ONE has the right to tell me or anyone else what to do with their own bodies considering you aren't the one taking care of the child. Maybe you were lucky with family helping teenage mothers but not everyone has the support of their family.
     
  8. Luxiebow

    Luxiebow Senior Member

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    people did find their own ways to perform abortions because people are going to do what they want to do but to make it legal and OK and to have so called doctors performing them in my eyes just makes it acceptable and I don't think it should be accepted. In society when things are made legal over time they become less of a tabboo and more the norm. that's why some things should be kept illegal because they should never become the norm.

    I hate the idea that it should only be the womans choice. It may be the woman who has to carry the baby but it took two to make. How many men out there have completely no clue that a former lover/partner killed their baby. It's totally un fair! When your pregnant it's not only your body anymore but the baby can't stand up for themselves so we should! I bet if our stomachs were see through abortion would plummet.

    they don't see every potential adoptive parent as unfit and how many people are messed up who led priveledged lives? for every horror story there is a success story and what I'm saying is that everyone should have a chance. you could soothe your mind after having an abortion that it would have been unfair to bring him/her into poverty or put the baby into care. what's unfair is stripping them of any chance!

    there is support out there if your family aren't being supportive. there are so many better options than abortion; adoption being one. EVERY human suffers regardless! and like I said before, when your pregnant it is not just your body anymore.
     
  9. vigilanteherbalist2

    vigilanteherbalist2 Senior Member

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    socialized medicine?
    i think we already have a system that could work if appointees would be required to get their public administrators in line.
    abortion?
    i think that it should be legal. however, it would never be an option for me.
    gun control?
    i kinda like things the way they are. i'm not sure what could be done about illegal weapons.
    marijuana prohibition?
    get rid of it.
    drug prohibition in general?
    i think most things should be regulated, except weed. but, not illegal. they could be used medically.
    capitalism in general?
    i don't think pure capitalism works for the common citizen. personally i would prefer a small communist system. but it's not possible b/c A)we are not a small country, and it would take a catastrophic failure of the country's infrastructure to separate/destroy the population & B)we suck.
    social welfare?
    like i said earlier, this country's public administrators need to get their asses in line, and implement policy in the spirit of its original intention.
    the education system?
    i think the education board and school boards in general are a huge joke. the money needs to be handled responsibly, teachers need to be paid more, and parents need to be accountable for their children's behavior.
    legal drinking age?
    having grown up in a european family, i have a different attitude towards alcohol than american society. the legal age should be lowered. it weeds out the bad one and kills em off.
    the electoral college?
    fucking stupid. i wrote a 30 page paper on it once.
     
  10. VULGAR

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    just cells...mmmm, i guess it is like this, when a sperm and an egg meet. what is created?? is it death?? nope, it is life at time of conception. rights verses responsibilities, you think your old enough or wise enough to have the right to have sex.. guess you should be responsible for what happens.plus there is another side no one wants to look at, here in the states anyway. a girl can get knocked up keep the baby and make the man pay support for 18 yrs, even if said man doesnt want the baby, but... what about if the opposite were true, say that man wants the baby, the woman doest.. she can go to any clinic and have an abortion without the consent of that man. he has no say at all, not fair imo.... also i did you know that 90% of all abortion clinics are in low income neighborhoods, usually being of the black or mexican parts of town,, left leaning and democrates all support abortion and they say they are for the minority vote.. doesnt make sence to me, it looks to me like genocide on a massive scale or population controll of the people who trust the democratic party and dont see how they are being controlled... not sure how it is in other conuntries, but here in the usa look it up, abortion clinics in the ghetto is how it goes man..
     
  11. vigilanteherbalist2

    vigilanteherbalist2 Senior Member

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  12. VULGAR

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    not sure how to take that, but thanks, glad i could make someone laugh today
     
  13. BrotherMat

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    The girl from my school who had an abortion at 15 had no job, no qualification,s hadnt completed her education.She had no hope herself of making things workout for herself, let aloane her baby. Yes ofcourse her family would of all helped out, but they were very, very poor. They had barely enough money to get themselves by let aloane a baby

    I see where your coming from lux, but she was too young, she was just a kid herself, and there was bugger all she could do to make her babys life any better then her own at the time
     
  14. DonBK

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    Ahoy … Ban alcohol and a lot of systematic processes will work themselves out. Ongoing long to medium term social, political and economic decisions have been made by political leaders, economists and military leaders that are under the influence of alcohol on a regular basis … just a tot or two of whiskey or a pint of beer affects a persons judgement. Added to this is a society in which the majority of adults are also under the influence of alcohol. The end result is a system in which no one takes responsibility or is held accountable for a country’s downfalls, because no one remembers who did what.
     
  15. [B]

    [B] ¿Comprendes Mendes?

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    alcohol is eeeeeeeeeviiiiiilll, we should not drink it in fact it is the reason why dinosaurs became extinct
     
  16. gretaoto

    gretaoto Senior Member

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    What about girls or women who were raped or molested by a family member? Should they too have the child knowing it was made out of hate and disgust? I am sure the family would be so supportive if the father was the one who raped her, or her brother:rolleyes:


    Oh I think I agree with mandyland on all the issues.
     
  17. pypes

    pypes Hot alien babes

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    The baby didn't rape anyone, why should it die.

    The fundamental issue here isn't some utilitarian cost / benefit analysis, otherwise we'd only be a few small steps away from involuntary euthanasia and eugenics It's simply a case of seeing the baby as a child with a right to life, or being able to perform sufficient mental gymnastics to somehow reason that it isn't a person and it's perfectly reasonable to kill it.
     
  18. Waddle

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    Don't really care and/or have the time to comment on all of those issues, but I will comment on one.

    Gun Control- First off, it is everyone's right (sans felons, domestic violence and a few others) to own a firearm according to the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. That said, gun control accomplishes nothing besides taking away firearms that responsible citizens could use to defend themselves from violent crime. Even if the government tried to outlaw all guns, criminals will still have them. I prefer to keep my guns, thank you.
     
  19. gretaoto

    gretaoto Senior Member

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    I understand but maybe if you were the woman or girl who was raped and had to bear(is that the right spelling?) that child, you'd have a different view.

    Personally, I would never consider an abortion and even if I was sexually active when I was younger and became pregnant I wouldn't have had one either, I just don't think I have the right to say whether or not someone else has one, plus people will do what they want in the long run and having it illegal can lead to other deaths and arrests.
     
  20. BrotherMat

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    If i were a woman, and were raped, (dosnt have to be a family member) and fell pregnant, i would have the baby aborted, because evertime i would look at that child id have to remember his/her father, was a rapist.

    How would you even go about telling the child "nah, never knew your daddy, he just raped me and left me to look after you for the next 18-20 years"?
     

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