Weekend blow in

the scary thing to me is, that my aproach is really grounded, and yet you say its scary. so your vision of what is real or not is very distorted.
thats fairyland. who knows.

 

bonnaroo! although i didn't take it.

 

yeah thanks man.

from a child i have beleived what i wanted to beleive, not what society tried to make me beleive. i was strong enough not to beleive in religion just because it was there.

 

peter,
im curious though, seriously...what about the potential of psychedelics to open up our brains allowing us to sense things that exist (i use this word for lack of a better word...i am using it loosely here as buddhism is confusing the fuck out of me right now )but which we would otherwise not be aware of or be able to tap into?

 

well its just that your posts are usually short winded, tough on grammer, and hard to read. that and half the time they don't relate to the current topic in the slightest.

half the time i can't tell what your saying, or what point you're trying to get across. the other half i wonder if there even is a point.

 

peter popper, why in the fuck do you still post here if your so against lsd? Are you that bored? Go to a board that has the same interests as you, from what I gather its just pussy and the gym. We are not gonna change your beliefs and your sure as hell not gonna change ours.

 

he's looking for a place where people can relate to his situation. :cheers2:

 

Can you give an example?
I cant think of anything that we can not sence sober, that we can only sence under the influence of LSD.

 

there is a difference between being grounded, and being stagnant. you are stagnant my friend. there is no diversity. all that you see is a narrow minded scientific view of the world. why? because you say that religion creates a narrow minded view of the world? well you do realise that by forming your views based around the premise that religion must be wrong you are being just as affected by it as if you unquestionably accepted religion? your views must be formed without prejudice, and without bias, if you are really seeking the truth.

many people have been where you are before. i don't see why the idea of religion is so implausible. why else would we be here? what would our purpose be? i believe in spirit as a precondition to matter. the material world is but a reflection of all that is. do you not have these questions?

 

^^ Wonka, You can sense the same things sober as you can with lsd, but lsd makes it easier, like a shortcut, where sober can take a life time if work to find the same things out.

 

There is one idea that I do agree with Peter on. That is the idea that LSD or any of these other psychedelics are some kind of magical substance that will show you "THE TRUTH". They are drugs and they induce an altered state of consciousness. That altered state can and often does provide a different perspective on things, but that doesn't mean that they posses some magical quality or that they are inhabited by some "spirit".
They are very useful tools for delving into our minds and personal psyche's, but it's not a direct message from God or something like that. Actually the awareness that can be induced by these substances can also be brought about by non-drug means, although I have yet to experience any visual or auditory sensations such as occur with drugs, but the "head space" and "spiritual awareness" I have. The state of mind of "Cosmic Consciousness" can be developed and induced through many means.

Peter the reason why your type of personality scares me is because you stubbornly hold on to your views even in the face of hard scientific facts to the contrary, such as black people don't get skin cancer, and LSD causes brain damage. Peter in order for a person to grow and learn as a human they have to be willing to accept when they are wrong and adjust there world view accordingly.

 

Couldn't it be just the opposite for some? Where as LSD clouds your perceptions taking a life time to find out what you could sober.

 

Desos you do realize that your views also often come across as narrow minded, biased and prejudiced?
Just because you ascribe to a more religious/spiritual interpretation of reality doesn't automatically put you on a higher moral plane, nor does it preclude you from exhibiting biased and prejudicial views.
I've noticed you have made a couple of remarks discounting the scientific method and science in general. Do you not realize that in order to understand and learn about the universe you can't discount anything in it?
By sheer definition the universe encompass's ALL that we can observe, feel, experience and you should leave no stone unturned in your quest for knowledge.

 

Sure it could. Anything powerful can be used for good or bad. It can have positive effects for some, negative for others. Example : The Bible can make some people a better person but some people misinterpret it and use it for their own means such as various cult leaders for example.

 

ones beleifs are a reflection of the persons knowledge and experience...

personally having undertaken biology and science in high school, and psychology subjecs at uni, and having specific acid trips, and just peicing things together with what u know, i have come to my beleifs.
i have a more scientific aproach, well becayse science makes so much sense, its pretty stupid to ignore. secondly iv done trips, had amaizing experiences, and beleived craazy shit, but in the end it fades away, and i realised that i couldnt keep thinkin about that spiritual stuff cause i was just lost. so i never do anymore. and im grounded and happy for it. not questioning reality. thats why i beleive what i do.

as for my posts being all over the shit, well i guess thanks to acid. i know for fact it has done much cognitive negative stuff.

 

ur questioning of reality is calmed by ur beleif in religion. its too depressing to think we have no purpose? isnt it.

religion is put here to fill the gap, cause humans are smart beings, we become depressed when we question reality. religion is for the weak. the weak minded.

 

u just become more aware of your unconcious processes, and ur imagination.

 

the reason we go to shrinks is so that we can talk to them about our life. in doing so we come to our own realisations. thats how a shrink helps you.
now lsd is similiar. you take lsd and u make ur own realisations, and being aware of a problem is enough to fix that problem.
the problem is a problem when it lays in your consciouss unaware.

but black people have more melanin, thus making them much , much, less prone to getting skin cancer.
white people have less, making them much, much, more prone.
if i tann all the time, my skin gets darker, why? cause it slowly produces more melanin to protect me against the sun.
why were abo's black? cause it was an evolutionary thing from the harsh australian sun. white people only moved here a hundred years ago or some shit, give it a while, and we will all be black too.

the evolutionary theory, is impossible to ignore. making religoun sound rediculous. real knowledge is science.

 

but why is there a gap in the first place? just because religion makes things easier that doesn't mean it is wrong. not to say that it can't be wrong, but under certain circumstances it really isn't. are you weak minded for eating, or for going to the gym(lol)? no, these are all natural processes -- and so is religion. just as our body needs food and nourishment, our spirit also needs nourishment. without it then it withers away.

yea, i said that science creates a biased partial view of the world. it's good for accounting for that, but there is much more to be accounted for.

going to have to quote a passage from a book i read, i can't really phrase it any better. sorry it's so long, but this is getting aggravating, i already said this earlier so i guess i'll elaborate some more.

"The philosophical principle that underlies our conception of natural law is causality. but if the connection between cause and effect turns out to be only statistically valid, and only relatively true, then the causal principle is only of relative use for explaining natural processes and therefore presupposes the existence of one or more other factors which would be necessary for an explanation. this is as much as to say that the connection of events in certain circumstances be other than causal, and requires another principle of explanation.
We shall naturally look round in vain in the macrophysical world for acausal events, for the simple reason we cannot imagine events that are connected non-causally and are capable of a non-causal explanation. but that does not mean that such events do not exist. their existence -- or at least their probability -- follows logically from the premise of statistical truth.
the experimental method of inquiry aims at establishing regular events which can be repeated. consequently, unique or rare events are ruled out of account. moreover, the experiment imposes limiting conditions on nature, for its aim is to force her to give answers to questions devised by man. every answer of nature is therefore more or less influenced by the kind of question asked, and the result is always a hybrid product. the so-called 'scientific view of the world' based on this can hardly be anything more than a psychologically biased partial view which misses out all those by no means unimportant aspects that cannot be grasped statistically."

he goes alot more in depth than that, but that is the basic premise. he scientifically and logically disproves science and logic! ahh!!! :biggrinjester:

 

You don't see the contradiction here?

Or are you claiming to be 'weak' and 'weak-minded'?