We were gonna change the world...what happened?

Dear SH, you haven't answered me: why aren't hippie's children peacful? Why were that the only generation who wanted peace?? You loved every man in the world, why cound't you teach your children to this world?

I'll just say what I think: in the whole history of the world, in my opinion "hippy time" was the only time, in which world could be turn to peacful one. and I feel some angry 'cause you haven't use that chance. I'l repeat hundread times, that I know you've done many beautiful, useful, peacful things for the world, but there's still war and hate. people are still killing for nithing.. No one is allowed to the white house, I know. but you were the whole generation and I feel very sad that you lost that only chance. you could really change the politic guys and ladies.

Dear hippiewise, I'm thankful very very much of your post. You don't hide the reality of those times: both +es and -es. I think hippies are the greatest event of the history for all times and I'm very angry with you, hippies, that you lost your chance because of silly drugs. I know hippiewise, you needed it to stay strong because of great preasure from previous generations, but I'm very sad that it has killed your motion.
and dear SH, please don't say that drugs don't hurt. It's proved that they do.
and I please you all not to hide facts. I were not there but it doesn't mean I don't know anything.
Peace to you all! You are all nice

 

ursela, i didn't say that i needed drugs to stay strong at all, what i meant was that pot helped open my mind from a very restrictive world in the 50's. i do not believe that anyone has to use drugs, or that drugs are necessary. and i'd like to say that maybe you are concentrating too much on what my generation should have done. it is your chance now and your peers to do what you can to change the world, stop this evil war in iraq and bring peace to the world. it's a big job and we did our best, but we were not the saviours of the world, we all have to work together to create a peaceful existance. so i'd like to know, what are you going to do to change things? i have so much postivie feelings because of the younger generation of today's hippies and peaceniks.
peace and joy
hippiewise

 

Hey there Ursula Buendia:
I can't answer for SH~
But I can give a personal opinion in response to your question for SH~
It would be wonderful if there was one world,and one people~
But~The hippies were just one sub group in a changing world,that had the balls to stand up for their rights and question how things were being handled by Big Brother~

We had dreams,ideals and good wishes hoping that we could make some
positive changes for the next generation~
We did not fail~
We did make changes~
Are our children angry?
You bet!
Why?
Because they have seen first hand how hard we tried
to make things better,but no one was listening to us~
You can't just blow us off as a lost generation of youth~
Every young person has the ability to unite for [their] cause~
The PUNKS just stopped caring to make things right through peace~
So we broke heads~

Every one does one type or a drug or another at some time in their life~
Even perscription drugs are drugs!
We all need to escape from this world in one way or the other~
I suppose all things are ok in moderation?
or we just burn out and get brain dead or od~

The reason why there is still hate,killings and war is because man-kind
was born like this!
It started from the beginnings of time~
You have to read~
Knowledge is power~
We come into this world with origional sin~
We as a race are everything that you oppose and dislike~
You can't expect any one sub culture to be the savior of all~
Look at history~
Look at all what was done to all the peace keepers~
Jesus Christ was perfect and look at what was done to him~
Just read before you try to judge the hippies~
we were not all druggies who beaded and used Patchuli oil~
We were smart college students from good homes too~
But we had our time~
Now it's yours~
Carry on~

 

When did I say drugs were good?!? I hate the use of drugs, I'm an Herbologest, I heal ones with natues herbs and oils. What I said was LSD-25 opened doors of the universe to us. I don't and never have conciderd Pot as a drug. They have done fourty yr studies on Pot and still can't find where it harms anyone. And I am not going to get into a debate about it. That Is My Belief and I own it.
If you ever read any of my other post I make it perfectly clear my stand on drugs.
So your angry at me for not saving your ass. well dear I was worried about saving my own at the time. Where I lay in the hospital with broken ribs for trying to protect my infant son as the 'Man" broke down my door and beat me senceless for trying to tell them there was a baby bed next to the door. I'm not going to die for you, die for yourself. Stand the fuck up and make your own damn way. I'm not here to live up to your expections. I didn't let you down, you let your ownself down. Tho I love you I am not responsible for your happiness. It's not middle class america that is causing shit, it's the poverty stricken that are clamoring for some one to do something for them. The inner city kids with no hope for excape. I cannot create a better life for them. I can contribute and pray for them, but it's up to each one of us to make our own way in life. I'm not handing out nirvana here. It's not my JOB. My job is to take care of me and mine and help who I can on the way. PEROID.
Dont come in here pushing blame on us hippies, we did, now you do.
sh

 

Damn... hm.. how ironic. I thought here was the only place in my life, in which I could discuss things peacefully, without harm and abusing and...
"So your angry at me for not saving your ass".. "Stand the fuck up and make your own damn way".. "Dont come in here pushing blame on us hippies"- ok, I'll never come in again if it iritates you dear ladies. I just thought we were talking about past problems, but it became a fight in the end I just had some questions and some opinions of mine, and it didn't mean that I wanted someone to save me. Maybe you don't have understand me right because of my bad english.. But it isn't improtant anymore, 'cause I saw that you, real old hippies don't are so peaceful, so lovely as I thought. For me you really were the idols man..I thought hippies were the greatest people in the world's history man... I mean I was excited of you and was discussing with you that problems, 'cause I was really curious and wanted to listen the answer, but not "fuck up!"
hm... Carol was saying all the time I was entering this thread that SH is the typical hippy, good teacher etc. Carol, where's gone her full-of-love heart ?? Why is she talking to me like any usual person, who don't understands why not to fight, why not to kill, why not to hate??
And you dear hippiwise, have told me now it's my time to do something for the world. Who will be my example, if the typical hippy loses control and tells me things like above??
So strange... how many doscoveries in few minutes. What does all that mean?? That you aren't real, you have just masks of peace?! in reality you are just like others?!.. blah... very nice...
Ok, I just go, sorry for destroying your harmony..
Take Care & Good Luck..

P.S. What should I think as a resume of all of this? So, what's the world and what should I do now, when you made me feel it's fake.. just forget.. it's my problem you don't need to think about it

 

Ursula, You came in accusing us of not bringing world peace about when we had the chance. And what chance would that have been with the Nixons and Reagans down our throats, we barely made it out alive and some of us didn't and your throwing rocks at us.. it's ok for you to be angry with us for not laying a golden road for your lilly white feet to walk upon. Do you know how many of us did die for your freedom. I don't even think you are from this crountry, yet you judge us and are angry with us for not fixing things for you, well take a close look around and live a little more and come back and judge with more experience.
If your playing games here, your playing with the big dogs. The ones that did what they could for peace. Do you have any idea of what we went up against, but here you come laying blame on the very ones that at least got up off their ass's and did something. What again are you doing to change things.
You sit and insults us and then you wonder why we say the things we do to you. We are not trying to be mean or hateful, but we didn't take it then and we aint taking it now. You are welcome to your opinion dear, but not at our expence. You dont walk into someones kitchen and tell them what a lousy cook they are, that's just plane rude.
No one here is mad at you. You are welcome to post but dont throw shit on us and we wont throw it back atcha.
sh

 

Ursula,
Please try to understand that in any forum, in any culture/society, there are all kinds of people who approach discussions/problems/situations, in their own unique way.

You will find that even on these forums that everyone is an individual.

Some you will groove with from the very first moment you share, some will grow on you, some will intimidate you, and some you will butt heads with.
And at any time all of that can change.

Please do not go, please just open yourself to what is offered here, take what you need and leave the rest.

Yes, some of us oldsters, do get our hackles up when it seems that we are being judged.
We get upset when we are being percieved in a way that has never been our intent.
we have been going through that for decades now.
And as you have come here in hopes of being able to post in harmony .we too have the same hope.
Drugs represent something different to many people.
And all drugs are different.
Drugs seem to have been a part of the culture that we grew up in, and we experienced them in many different ways.
Some of us have moved on some not.
Some became very enlightened by opening their minds to certain drugs, some ended up in mental hospitals.
Some of us gave up on all the synthetics and go for the only true natural "drug"...herb/pot weed/ marijuana...whatever you call it.

The drugs had their place, our experiences atthat time with those drugs greatly have influenced many of our lives and how we view certain laws and drugs and acceptance of drugs at this point in time.

I, for instance, believe that the drugs of this time are extremely harmful. To our children,the adults doing them and society as a whole.
I do not respect the drug laws in place, I think "the war on drugs" is a joke and the way we have handled prison senteces over manufacturing marijuana in this country is a disgrace.
As far as the hard drugs go...its horrible that a black market for these is allowed to exist.
Crime over this one thing is astronomical, and if the drugs were controlled as alcohol is...the black market would all but disapear.

Please realize that if you put down something that was such a part of us...you are in essence putting us down, and I truely don't believe that is what you meant at all.
You cannot compare the culture of the 60's/70's to the culture of today and think it is the same.

but SISTER,and you are my sister, I for one appreciate that you do want to learn from us and would hate to see you go...
teepi

 

I am a human being, we all are, no better no worse then the other. I have human emotions from the depts of pain and agony that I hope you never have to go through. I don't sugar coat things, that just makes it taste better it doesnt change the contence.
You say I have no heart. I have gone broke giving to ones in need, taking ones off the streets and feeding them and helping them find jobs. I ran a shelter for abused women and children for five years out of my own home . You think I have no heart, maybe I don't, maybe I've seen too much sorrow and suffering and maybe I'm not perfect, but no one here is perfect, if we were we wouldnt be on this planet. I am still learning everyday how to live in peace with myself. I can only do the best I can and if that aint good enough then do it yourself. If that sounds harsh, So Mote It Be. I'm not anyones feairy godmother, I'm flesh and bone. Your living in a fantacy.
sh

 

Hey there SH and everyone~
It's like talking potatoes and tomatoes~
Meaning,some people get our messege and some just don't~
Reminds me of an old black light poster I had hanging
on my wall:
"I DO MY THING~
YOU DO YOUR THING~
I AM NOT IN THIS WORLD TO LIVE
UP TO YOUR EXPECTIONS~
YOU ARE NOT IN THIS WORLD
TO LIVE UP TO MINE~
YOU ARE YOU AND I AM I~
IF BY CHANCE WE FIND EACH OTHER~
IT'S BEAUTIFUL~"
I just don't believe unless someone
was really in the ditches with us
fighting for the cause and seeing and feeling
all the pain that we went through~
Would make it impossible for a newbie to even get an idea
of how it was~
To them our story is like a page out of history,like
reading in a school book~
Today there is no cause like we had~
No sit~in's,no pigs in the street busting our heads because
we were different~
Just nothing~
At least in New York City~just about everything go's and
is accepted~
It's hard to stand out in a crowd these days since the
word on the street is"IT'S ALL GOOD"
Rebels like us are far and few in the making these days~
I guess there really are no idols or roll models for the newbies~
But SH is right~
Pain hurts and it does make us hard and indifferent,
We cared too much and got shot down for it!
We all have to pull our own load and cover our asses first~
That's just the law of survival~

 

Ursula (and anyone else who might be listening), ya gotta understand. We (the old ones) have been standing up against the 'stream for decades - DECADES!! We've been explaining ourselves to the same bunch in the same way for longer than a lot of the young ones have been walking on the Mother. We get tired, mighty tired, of explaining over and over what we (and you) feel should be obvious. Unfortunately (and here's the problem), we're talking to the oblivious. Can you imagine how we feel when we have to justify ourselves to one of our own? Backs get raised, sure. Hey, you don't made big changes in society by being meek! Yeah, we can get our backs up - some of us. But we put them down real fast, too. Especially when we throw off the "What The Fuck!" and start to consider that someone who wasn't there to see it first hand or to live it (like some of us here) might have the wrong impression of what it was like. Drugs, sure, absolutely. No sense in denying it. We, as a group, consumed an awful lot of drugs. Some of us didn't; some of us did; some did a lot; some got burned; some died. But we did an awful lot of other things, too. The accomplishments have already been listed, so I won't belabor everyone with another recitation.

Bottom line: we caused a lot of good things to happen. While doing so, we, in some peoples minds, did a lot of bad things. Thing is, we did them to ourselves.

You ought to stick around and try chatting us up on other topics. Who knows what you might learn.

Walk safely, sister.

 

Hiya Luvn.
It saddens me to think that after all we gave and all we went through we are only remembered as using drugs. Everything else was forgotten or never noticed in the first place

 

It is sad, but the media puts these thoughts out and we've been fighting the media for... when did we bury "Hippy"?

Another tune for you, this one by CSN&Y:

You who are on the road
Must have a code that you can live by
And so become yourself
Because the past is just a good-bye.
Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picks, the one you'll know by.
Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you will cry,
So just look at them and sigh
and know they love you.

And you, of tender years,
Can't know the fears that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth,
They seek the truth before they can die.

Teach your parents well,
Their children's hell will slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picks, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you will cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

 

THank you luvn dear, that did make me smile as I sang along.
Peace my Friend.
sh

 

Good Morning everyone~
All good thoughts on the questions
that Ursula brought up~
Luvn:
That song still has so much meaning
and holds true even in these times~
Teepi:
I did not know that you are an artist too~
Your work is beautiful~
Do you have a link or web site devoted to your work?
I would like to see more~
SH:
I am hoping that your emotions are in
sink today and your heart is happy
in starting off this new day~
I really felt your anguish yesterday
in trying so hard to explain to Ursula how it was~
It was not easy,it is not easy,but the brave hearts and strong spirits
in each of us has a way of getting us through our darkest times~
Do you have wild Turkey where you live SH?
Any plans for the Thankgiving and Christmas holiday season that you
would like to share with us?
Take care,
As always C


PS !!!!
SH~
Have you ever heard of milk thistle?
It is supposed to fix liver problems and
was just recomended to me by my GYN Dr.
I would like to know what you if you know
anything about it before I buy it~
Thanks~

 

I believe you hippies changed the world in a good way. Made us more liberal and happy, but too many got selfishly into dope and shit. Not good! I don't say that you should never ever use drugs, but many people start with the wrong kinds and over-dose or get addicted. As my grand father says(really cool dude! I think he's an ex-hippie and he's into computers. ): "Everything in moderation!" People think weed is bad becouse some people have to smoke it every day! What if you moderated you use... Then you wouldn't have to get temporarily nuts!
BUT, there's nothing wrong with smoking now and then! I think the psychedelics did humanity really good! But be careful! You can go sereously nuts and evertrip from that shit!

 

adrian nor, hello!

What is "too many"? Some may think one is too many. I don't bother to think on it; it's done; it's the past.

I add to your grandfather's saying by saying "Even moderation"!
(Why is he an "ex-hippy"?)

I haven't seen anyone go nuts, temporarily or permanently, from smoking weed. Nor have I heard of such. Would you care to enlighten me?

Yes, psychotropics aren't for everyone. And the drag is, how do you know untill you try? So we lost some souls there. Of course, it could have been the quality of the substance and not the subject.

 

thanks, sh, that is a very true statement. there was so much more going on than drugs, and yet it all gets lumped together like that. Media hype? I'm not sure. but in the 60's I was more an observer (very young but still). and things I learned then from the hippie culture were more ideas than anything. I learned it was ok to question authority, at a very young age; I guess that is scary to some folks. I'm sure I internalized more than that, but that is one thing that has stuck with me.

and luvndrum, great CSNY lyrics to quote here. when I first heard that song in the 70's I never thought that someday down the road my own kids would be teaching me, as I taught them, it's a beautiful cycle of Life.

 

Yeah, they were pretty sharp for a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears, know-nothing, throw-shit-in-the-old-ones'-faces, walk-away-laughing punks, weren't they?! Kinda like some of the younguns in here, eh?


"Ch-ch-ch-changes (Turn and face the strain) ch-ch-ch-changes..."

 

...the amount of kids, here and in chat that say shit like "I wanna be a hippie but I don't do drugs, is that ok?" or "what do I do to become a hippie" or the ones that get upset and say we aren't hippies because we aren't talking about saving the world and spirituality 24/7....
Sometimes it feels like we have become nothing to others but a cliche of dress and drugs and I believe its due in part to their shallowness to not look any farther than that. If they did they would actually have to do a little digging and reading.

 

Being a hippie has got nothing to do with clothes..drugs..
it's a feeling inside..a state of mind..a way of living..
no more and no less..in the roaring sixties..
there was the music,the clothes..the image of the hippies..
now we can only dream about that..and look back..
Emiel