We were gonna change the world...what happened?

Omigawd!!

I can't believe I read this whole thread. Only took two days. You went from one end to the other searching for the answers.

Tks SH, Teepi, Gate 68, EM, Ranger and all the rest for a trip back down that road.

Did we change anything?? What? How and for how long?

Most postings searching for the answers started in the 60's more like 65/67. The basic change had already happened by then.

I was born before WWII and came up in the 50's, that's when the change happened..

No one mentioned how it was before. Life in the 50's was a void/limbo.

The "Greatest Generation" after surviving the great depression and winning the war set out to make a perfect world for us, their kids. And they did.

A world where everyone could get a job, buy a house, go to college, etc.. All things that were impossible for them in the 30's. They gave us kids the future they never had. It was perfect too.

Back then we never had drug education class in school...We never had drugs. Sex education class was one day in our senior year of high school. A doctor came and showed us slides of stick figures and told us that balls made sperm. There was some talk about eggs and tubes or sumpin'. It lasted an hour. Boys in one class. Girls in another.

I was lucky 'cause I could get a job in the shoe factories of Central Maine. (I never took it.)

We had the same haircut as our fathers. Same clothes. Same ideas and beliefs. We didn't have to make choices, there were no choices to make.

We didn't know that our life could be different/exciting. We didn't know that we could have dreams, and then live those dreams. We were told we were happy and we belived it.

We went to the movies every Saturday. (no TV) It was great until....One Saturday I saw Brando in "The Wild Ones" and walked home with strange thoughts. Wouldn't it be something if a person could really live like that, you know doing what I wanted, giving the man the finger, questioning his authority? That movie was great fiction, not really real. But, the thoughts lingered on. "Rebel w/o a cause," kids who didn't want to be like their parents, but didn't know what to do or how.

The change began then with those vague thoughts and more were comming. Chuck Berry was rolling over Beethoven. Naked Lunch...Howl for Carl Sandberg..Lady Chatterly's Lover... Shit people shouldn't be thinking, say nothing about writing it in books.

Bit by bit those vague thoughts about difference, thinking different, and gawd forbid...being different, started to become clearer. Ya know...could happen...Nah.

A perfect storm began to brew. New culture, (not american 50's kulture,) the music, the drugs, something different. The change, to be able to think for ourselves, to be, happened...Now we just needed to express it...but how?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...The Greatest Generation was cooking up their best gift for us. A War. No, not a really big war, or long war like their war. But a better war, a far away war, an easy war, kind of a cake walk/slam dunk war. Sign up, kill a few gooks, get a medal, (like John Wayne,) win the war and everybody comes home a hero. If you didn't want to sign up, they would even do it for you. What more could we want.

IMAGINE their surprise!

Change had happened, and now that change had expression.

Summer 1967...

O.K. you folks took it from there...Had you not, this thread woulda never happened.

 

Well said, furtherboat.

Just a note or two:

That American Paradise, Leave-it-to-Beaver-Land, was subsidized by the brutal
de facto enslavement of non-whites all over the world.

I remember the 50's. I was born the year the Korean War ended. It was the most
repressive society you could imagine. If you even questioned the garbage in the
history books at school they'd isolate you from the rest of the students and put
you in a special building reserved for juvenile delinquents.

They'd destroy your whole life for Questioning Authority.

Littlefoot

 

It seems like a cycle. People revolted in the '60's to overcome the oppression of the '50's. It's almost as if we're back in the '50's again, on the verge of another revolution, but it's a different ball game, now that we have a powerful medium through which to communicate. The next revolution may not manifest itself so much as mobs of freaks protesting in the streets, but rather as a large group of like minded people quietly making unified informed decisions when it comes to life style changes, who we vote for, and whose products we buy and boycott.

 

I was born in the souths 1950s, segragation was all around us.. I swear I had never seen a black person or a latino up close in real life till I moved to L.A. with my family when I was 8 yrs old. When I did see a black man once cleaning floors in a resturant I asked if he was made out of chocolate. I really thought he was. I know he looked sad., but his eyes smiled at my childish innocents. I had meant no harm, I was just full of wonder. I remember seeing the brown water fountains at school and getting in trouble for useing them, as they were for the 'colored folks' and the 'coloreds' were not allowed to use the same tolet facilities either.

I didn't understand it, my little mind couldn't wrap around the fear(as I saw it) and loathing I was exposed to and near brain washed into believing.

I prolly would have chosen that path, as my fore fathers did, but I at times felt like that black man.

When my family moved from Dallas Texas to Los Angeles California, it was an extream culture shock for me. Here I was coming from a rual Dallas suburb to sophisticated so cali, with my deep southren drawl and my freckles, calling everyone 'Y'all'. My parents moved us out of LA bc of 'the bad element' and ploped us down in conservitive, 'white' Anahiem Cali.

I was tormented and ridiculed for my nievity my apperance and my freckles. You see in so cali everyone was bleached blonde, tan and said 'you guys' and not y'all', who knew!

I never felt like I belonged after I left texas. I suppose that is why I became a wanderer, a seeker of truth. I felt like an outcast and was more or less a loner untill it became popular to be different. Then everyone flocked around me like I was the queen of sheba. By then I was dropping acid and been in and out of detention facilities and 'special schools and intence therapy for my odd behavior for a couple of yrs. which drove me to do more drugs just to get them outta my head.

When I was forced into a marriage I didn't want, to a conservitive boy, with a white coller, I became unhappy and lonely and sought outside entertainment in the form of hooking up with some kids that like to trip on acid and new hubby did not like it and decided it would be better to choke the life from me then for me to take acid again. I left emeadietly after my near death experience and hearded for San Fran, the city of Love and the rest is history.

I certianly changed my life, it changed my world.. I was Home at last.
sh

 

I was a tyke in the late '60's, but I remember how crazy it was. We lived in a college town 'cause dad was a professor. Mom moved out on dad, so we lived in a trailer park full of of hippies. They've since replaced it with an upscale condo development, go figure. I'd be walking down the main drag, and the guys would be outside their trailers, jamming Hendrix on their guitars. Mom would bring me to Vietnam and human rights protests on campus. She would get black people to baby sit me. Her idea was that fear breeds hatred, and the only way to overcome fear is to cultivate an understanding of others, by spending time with them in their homes.

 

Some people see the need to buy nothing at all. To make what they need,
sustainably, from the land around them. Without stepping on the rights of
other species.

Unfortunately, those committed to the buy and sell system won't let them do
that.

Communes that tried were destroyed with bulldozers while dozens of
armed men made sure there was no resistance from the people whose
homes and livelihoods were being destroyed.

When homeless people find a piece of land that no one is using, and
build simple shelters and plant gardens, the same thing happens.

All the "liberals" and "progressives" wring their hands and verbally
condemn such happennings, but they don't do anything real about
it. They elect the same people again.


Littlefoot

 

The land that most of the free communes were built on didn't belong to them, it was either privately own or owned by the gov., or turned over to someone who had no authority to lend it out. Or they gave up posession bc they were over run with people.

You can't just walk up to a plot of land and start building on it. You have to purchase it and get a deed. Then you have the right to build or whatever. As a land owner, I would have a fit if people just started building their shit on my land and taking over what I spent my life EARNING!!! Things are not just handed to you, so you like the spot, well buy it. You can't just take it from someone else bc You want it. Good Grief.. what kind of society would that be.. one day you have a home, then someone else comes over and likes your place and moves you out and themselves in.

If you want to be a vagabon and travel around, that is your choice, if you want to build a home, Buy some land and do so.. but don't take what is not yours and you have not earned. Doing things the way it is set up to protects everyone is the best choice. If you own it then no one can take it away, or move in on you.

It all takes hard work, bitching about being disposessed from something that was never yours in the first place is counterproductive. If these folks had bought the land and was in posession of it, they would have not been kicked out.

Are we trying to reproduce the 60s, or shall we learn from our mistakes. Shall we keep doing it the wrong way? keep making the same mistakes over and over.

Just bc no one is using the land does not mean it's a free for all and you can just move in. Now I don't understand your way of thinking. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now. You cant take what is not yours and expect things to just be peachy, whoever your taking it from has rights too.. Now what do you do.

If you own land then you must pay taxes, without income you have no money to pay and lose the land. If my family has to Earn our way, then so should your family. WE had to work hard to get what we got, I dare someone who wants what I have to try and take it, cuz I'm locked and loaded!! I would not be willing to put my life on the line protecting something that I had no right to.

If you want to live off the land and be selfsuffiecent, great, do it, but make sure you own the land your building on to avoid any repercussions later.

There is no place that I know of in this country and this day that one can live free, without an income of some sort. In the beginning, there is the land to buy, livesotck to purchace, seed for the gardens, piping for water, and the first yrs supply of food for you and your livestock to get you through till the first crops come in. It may not be you that is putting out the enitial Cash to start the doing. But cash has deffinatly crossed hands somewhere. Where is the growth if everything is handed to you. What a bunch of lazy people who want something for nothing.

The Diggers, that we all seem to relate to as the first real commune lasted ONE yr. Then the leader OD on Smack he ripped of from his best buddy. Do we go on that or do we find another way that WORKS!!!

I am not trying to start an argument, I'm just telling what went wrong with our first attempt in living free and how changing our tactics will get us further then we went in the 60s. We talk about changing the government, but shouldn't we be thinking of changing our way of things also, to live in this era.

I don't want to live in the past, with no comforts. I like my creature comforts, I lived half my live without them and prefer to have them now in my old age. I am not as young and agile as I use to be. Living the life I did take its due. If you want to struggle and strife for yrs making something of a life, depend on yourselves to do it. Have all your ducks in a row.. make sure your not working to make someone esles dream come true, but your own.

This is what I have learened from all my trials and tribualtions. For living in commnunes, on the streets and in doorways to having a home of my own with my family who I know loves me and will help me make it till my time is through and my job done, on my terms and not someone elses fantacy.

Do what's best for you, and not what's good for some else. Make you own choices.

sh

 

Hello shameless_heifer

True

Not a "plot of land". But there are lots and lots of people living clandestinely
("squatting") on BLM, National Park Service, National Forest Service,
and State and Corporate lands.

The West is a very big place, and many experts assert that no living person
has walked across more than 1/2 of it. You get out in the mountains and
away from the towns and there's no one there. Not even any rangers. It's
all done by satellite and planes, now, and we aren't talking military spy
satellites and reconaissance planes. It is not hard to avoid detection
by them.

Take the Rockies. A hundred mountains ranges spanning 3000 miles from
northern British Columbia, Canada, to northern New Mexico, USA. 300,000
square miles of land with 3,000,000 people living on it, the vast majority
of them in small cities and large towns.

Virtually no one walks any more. IF they can't drive there they don't go.
Most hunters and poachers never get further than a 100 yards from their
cars, and the hiking enthusiasts stay on well-developed trails.

As long as you don't have to "go into town" for supplies, it's easy to
stay hidden from Americans and Canadians.

I recently spent a number of years homesteading in the Okanogan Highlands
(Rocky Mountain Ecosystem) and we all walked a total of thousands of
miles in the Okanogan National Forest and never saw a single person
walking out there. Not even during hunting season. Just stay away from
the very few roads and you never see anyone.

You don't have to use anyone's private property. You don't have to buy
any land, or rent it or lease it. Unless you are just living a variation of the
mainstream lifestyle and have to have a vehicle and money and such.
That's not what I am talking about here. I am talking about a new way
of life, not creating a country retreat, which is just taking the city to
the country. You do more damage to the Earth by doing that than if
you live in the cities or towns.

There's nothing that trashes an area like a bunch of "hippy" communities
with their roads and chain saws and vehicles and domestic animals, etc.
They do just as much harm as the "rednecks". Seen it many times. They
are often the most destructive things happenning in an ecoysystem these
days.

Yes. God gave us the Earth and its bounty to use respectfully. Just
because there are a bunch of assholes with guns and greed around who
think they have a right to steal all the land and keep everyone else off
of it and tell others how to live doesn't mean anything but that they are criminals.
Yes, I am talking about Americans and Canadians. They both live on
a stolen continent.

Run your own life.

Says someone living on a stolen continenet.

That's exactly what the Americans and Canadians did to the people who used to
live here. And they are busy conquering (stealing) the Middle East right now.

What kind of world is this for those people?

But I am not advocating taking any individual's or family's land. That's
not necessary at all.

You sure are a typical American Asshole. You think you have a right to tell
everyone how to live.

Myself and the people I know will do as we choose. If you get in our way
we'll kick your ass for you. (But you don't have anything to worry about
in that regard, because someone like you will never know where one of
the progressive communities I am referring to is located. Not until
you change, that is.)

That goes for the uniformed thugs (police and military) you hire to do your
dirty work for you, too.

I have had enough of your arrogant hypocrisy. You live on a stolen
continent and the entire wealth of the U.S. and Canada is based upon
that and upon the exploitation of poor people and the the theft of their
lands and the destruction of their cultures around the world, accomplished
by your vicious military and by funding despots and thugs around the
world to do the job for you.

But let me say this again: I am not advocating taking any individual's
private property, or any family's property. There isn't any need for
that at all.

There are vast tracts of land throughout western North America that
are available for "squatting".

And it is very easy to "get away with" if you aren't dependent upon
mainstream society, the ICE, for what you need to live. If you are
living a truly progressive lifestyle rather than just another elitist
country retreat, which is exactly what the vast majority of
"hippy communes" these days are.



LIttlefoot

 

Little Foot,
There is no reason to get angry with me and call me names, that's childish.. what happened 300 yrs ago I had nothing to do with and would have not agreed to such tactics. We don't live like that, not most people..

The eairly settlers were friendly with the Indains.. it was the French that bloodied it all up them and the english.. your telling me the quakers killed and stole. Blaming people of today for what happened 300 yrs ago just don't cut it now.. How can you seriously hold me personally responsible for what happen before my grandpartents were even born. My mother and her family migrated from scotlaand to austrailia. And are you saying that folks who become american citizens are also to blame for 300 yr old historic events.

I don't live in a commune any more, I live on a farm and work hard days.. I am not a nomad. I have roots. So what you are say is that it's ok to take, squat on something that is not yours bc it was done to the Indains. Did I mention that I'm married to an Indain.

We earned the money and bought our land and hunt, fish and farm it, we live as close to nature as one can get without acctually living outside. We do however camp for weeks on our hunting and fishing expiditions. Your barking up the wrong tree here Little Foot. It is not showing your peacefull brotherhoodness as you call me names, or accuse me of ruining the earth. You know nothing of why I came, apparently.

I do hope you find yourself and regain your composure. I wish you no harm.

Bright Blessings
sh

 

What happenned 300 years ago has continued happenning, in one form or
another, since then. It's going in the Middle East right now.

We are attempting to conquer that part of the world. Haven't you noticed?
We've invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and are trying to wipe out their
cultures and impose our own on them, building roads and schools and
dams and power plants and military bases (forts) and killing anyone
who resists.

Most of the people living in the cities of early America, in the east, would
have claimed that they had nothing to do with the "Indian Wars", but it
was all being done for them (like clearing the Great Plains for raising
cattle and sheep and grains) and was being financed by their taxes and
it was their sons and husbands and fathers who belonged to the Army.
(the Calvary).

We haven't changed at all. That's my point.

Until they wanted their lands. Then they drove them off or killed them.
Or just kept stepping on their lands and rights until they started resisting
and called in the Army.

Not directly. Others did it for them. They lived on lands taken from the
'Native Americans' just like all the other Americans.

You really should read Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the U.S.".

I wouldn't even bring it up if we had changed. We haven't.

America's early Media, the newspapers, referred to the 'Native Americans'
who resisted the theft of their lands and the destruction of their cultures
as "terrororists". Sound familiar?

I don't wish you any harm either. I just want us to change our ways. To
quit trashing the planet and exploiting poor people and committing mass
murder and cultural genocide around the world.

Referring to the military aspect of the problem:

That is never going to happen if the people who collectively are
responsible for it keep denying that they have anything to do with it.
Or pretend that what's going on is some kind of good deed or
self-defense, instead of the brutal, materialistic imperialism it is.

Littlefoot

 

Well then Little Foot.. What do You suggest we do to end war, famine and disease. I'm working on disease right now.

I do want to say this about that. Wars were here before I came and will be here after I leave.

The USA is not the only war going. Palistine and Isreal have been going at it for thousands of yrs., but I supose you will say that is amercias doing. Where on this Earth is Peace, where on one corner of this planet is peace. Not any nation can claim that fame.

If countries that are thousands of yrs old, cultures that have been here since time began are warring with them selves to this day, what do you expect from a country/culture that is barely 300.

I certainly do not like war or killing or anguish. I don't believe in war as a solvent. But I do believe in the constitution and what it stands for, that is what the hippie war was about, our civil rights.. are you not willing to fight and die for what you believe in.

If you look real close, you will see, every nation has been conquerd at one time or another. Furthermore, who was here before the Indains, how did they become the owners of the land that we so greedily took from them. Who drew first blood. No one knows, so where can one honestly lay blame.

Why keep digging at it, it has been done and done for 300 yrs.

America did not invent war or land grabing. Everyone likes to blame the USA for everything that goes wrong. I never hear about the good americans do. Whice country would you rather be part of. One that cuts the clitoris off of 2 yrs old girls and sew up their vaginas bc the men want virgins for wives, or one that kills their women bc they showed their faces in public, or beating them bc they have an opinion, or perhaps the one that take 10 yr old boys and arm them with granades to blow themselves up just to take out whitey. Or maybe you'd like to live in Africa where people are droping like flys from disease, famine, rape.. where a women has to be subservient to the male or DIE... Please give me a break. Or a religion that preach/teaches to kill others who are not of that faith.

No country is perfect.. no human being is perfect. I nor you are by no means perfect. WE may not get it right, but at least amercians are trying to make a change for people from all lands.

Why is it totaly the fault of amercia for everyones misery..the same miseries that have been prevelent for a thousand yrs before america was established.. and wasn't it Spain that was here before the settlers came. But of course Spain did not kill Indains, did they, they did not take land that was free for all??. If it's free for all, then are americans not part of the all. Who is then.. you tell me.

You call me an inperilist bc I bought land and am willing to fight for it. Bc I stand up for what I believe is right and true. If you don't stand for anything then you will surely fall.

Bc you want to live without roots or a home is your privlage. bc you live in america you can, you have rights, you can protest to make change without being imprisoned or exicuted. You can worship as you please, come and go as you please, shop where you please, or grow your own food if you like. You can open a bissness, have as many kids as you like, dress how you like, wear your hair as you like. Eat and drink as you like. Choose your own medical prefrences, practise whitchcraft or become a monk.

If you don't like my politics, to bad, I have a right to believe in whatever I choose to belive in. You talk of politics, and change. Do you really want to see hippies in charge of the country.. we would be wiped out before we got started. We don't have it together enough yet.

I for one do not want to degress but to go further. I don't want to live in a hut. I happen to like running water in my toilet. I like my icebox with wholesome foods stuff in it. I prefer a hot shower rather then bathing in a icecold river. I did all that when I was young. I lived like Indains and nearly starved as they did. I was not willing to take food out of my babies mouth to feed a growm man, who could hunt and fish and provide for their families but prefered to sit by the fire and smoke dope.

Men make war, women make love. Women create, men distroy. Who has been in charge.. men.. wars? man doings. All the women leaders promote peace, men pormote war, brute force. It has something to do with their egos. Ohh myyy.. now I sound like someone how is blaming men for the woes of world.. kinda like blaming all americans for the worlds problems, that were here before america was conqured.

How about giving some credit to the good people do instead of laying blame. What are you doing to change things, besides laying blame, are you adding yourself to the list of blamed, as you are an american and live here too... beside living off someones elses works, the free land you speak of.. isnt that the same as taking land from the Indains, bc they weren't using it, would you be willing to die for it. .. If you dispise the USA move to afganistan, or mexico. No one is forcing you to do anything or to live here.

If you want things to be different then what is you plan and how would you run the universe and everyone in it if you were in charge of it. We tried it in the 60s and it didn't work bc we did not plan it out far enough. Every one wanted to be in charge, their ideas, to suit their personal needs/wants.

Burn the cities down, blowup the car manifactures and wipe out everyone that does not agree with you, distroy it. And then what. Havoc, rape, pillage and plunder, mass murders, and men slaughtering women and children bc they physically weaker. Do you even have a clue as to what you are asking for.

You are no different then anyone else my friend. We all want the basics in life, a home a family, a companion that cares for you and you care for, children, good friends and good food, drink and productive work to do. There are some who choose a different path or the path chooses them and they thirst for other means of fulfillment.

There will alway be a need for changes as we grow as human beings, as we evolve and expand our knowledge we come into the Light, or realization of how to achive our goals, perhaps by the process of elimination, as we make mistakes and learn from them.

I never suggested that people should live alone, just not too many in a small area, it tends to bump up against peoples nerves. Not enough space to hold all the energies without pushing on someones elses energy.. it has to do frequency and space. But that's another story.

I see humanity evolving into what we as conscious minded beings want for all of us, Peace and Unity.

Bright Blessings
sh

 

I've already posted a lot of my ideas on that subject. Don't you read the
posts you respond to?

Well hell. The next time someone bugs you, why don't you just go ahead
and kill them?

After all, it must be perfectly okay to do that. Human beings have been
murdering people who bugged them for a long time, haven't they?

And yes, I am different from you. I don't have any weapons and I wouldn't
kill anyone for any reason. And I don't pay taxes to this criminal government,
and I live VERY simply. I do my best to boycott the corporations (and their
war machine) that ARE this country.

I am an Earthling. And I think your country STINKS. It is organized
crime on a large scale, no more and no less.

I don't like the Taliban either, but they are defending their own territory
and I hope they kick the asses of your uniformed terrorists. And it
looks like they are going to. They currently control over half of
Afghanistan.

As for the Constitution you hide behind (you don't even know what
it says), feel free to stick it where the sun don't shine.

Littlefoot

 

I'm just making comparison, You act, no you profess that only americans do/act poorly or kill or torture or exploit, we have cornered the market on terroisum.. Tell me why peole from every country in the world is risking life and limb to live in the USA, more then any other country in the world.

I love my country, I love the mountains and the vallies, I love the oceans and the desrets, I love the seasons as they change, I love the rivers and lakes, I love the tress and flowers and the grass, I love the due that lays softly on the land with a misty blanket of peace. I love the birds that wake me with their sweet song and the butterfly that delight my fancy, I love the bounty that the earth delivers with every summer, I love our head of goats that grage in the meadow, I love the spring buds on the Fruit tress as they buzz from the busy bees that flock them. I love to sit by the lake and fish, waiting for that big one to bite as I squeal in excitement. Love my man who is beside as I wake each morn, with a warm fire in the hearth and coffe brewing, or hot chocolate, I Love the sound of tiny stockinged feet running on tiptoes down the cold hallway and jumping in your lap to cuddle in your warth, I love being alive to see, touch, hear, and taste, to know real love, unconditional love as a child has for it's mother/father. I don't condone any kind of bad behaviour that causes harm, but I aint no coward and I will and have fight for my rights as a human being.

Having utopia would be the ultimate, but I can't see that happening. Not for another millinium or so. You act like I'm anti love but that is far from my reality. I'm all about love and peace, but not to the point of laying down and being walked on or my space being envaded and be revaged, with me or mine being harmed, been there done that, no thank you. A right to defend yourself and your home. A right to speak, a right to gather and demonstrate, a right to own land and be represented., A right to worship as you believe, a right to work and be paid a due wage, A right to pursue happiness, a right to face your accuser, a right to freedom of expression in art and music. So many good things for the people, equaily. I'm not going to write out the constitution, but most of us do know the general drift, it was required reading in like the 5th grade. It was a good plan for what was made for. Civil Rights and Infringments, Amendments were put in place as a rule of thumb for a hope for peace and to live as we wanted as long as we harmed none.

But then the question arises, How far would you go to protect your spouse or child if someone/thing was trying to harm them. Would you kill them if they kept coming, if they overpowered you would you pick up a rock and hit them till they stoped, even if it meant killing them? Be honest. Would you let a tiger maul you or someone you loved if you had a knife, or a man. How can you say I am wrong or anti hippie bc I would protect my own. If you did not protect your home or family you wouldn't be much of a man in my eyes, or if you let your babies starve bc you wouldn't hunt for meat when there is no vegitation availble.

You talk about the Indains, look how they lived.. they lived free off the land, but they had wars amungst the different tribes, they took women and children and men as slaves. They killed eachother, they killed for food.

Technology has come too far for human beings to stop advancing. As you sit at your computer run on eletricity, your a hipocrite. You do the same thing you condem others for.. You condem me for believing in the basic rights for all human beings, where's your comendments, live free and be happy, well hell yes, but not in NYC or LA or anyother city in the world. Not even in the hills, some one will find you and not all encounters are good ones.

There are crazy people running around. That have no conscience or moral values. I have seen hippies kill, I have pulled the trigger and prayed my aim was true on an occation. My Natural Instint would be to protect my young with life and limb and you can shove that where the sun don't shine, cuz I can be no other way. If you are not willing to fight and give your life for what you believe to don't have much faith in your beliefs. If you let someone harm your family your not much good as a provided for a safe enviroment and do not, should not be in a responsible position, where someone might count on you, like an infant child, or your old granny.

I hope your not the one assigned to watch my back, if the shit comes down, brother?

Did I ever mention that we use to open our home to battered women and children for several yrs, that we have taken in kids off the streets and gotten them off drugs and help them get through school and find jobs. I have spent half my life in hospitals all over the country with my daughter who had Cystic Fibrosis and seen the horrors of disease and abuse on humanity, I cried an ocean, I bled a river of pain for their suffering.

Do you read what I write when ones come for help or comfort, have you read all the information I give freely for everyone to help themselves to, never asking for anything, just giving from my heart bc I do love my fellow man.. What am I hiding from/behind, what do you as my judge and jurer accuse me of. You sit in judgement you are just as bad, if not worse then the ones that you hate. Your spreading hate, not me. I give hope, I use my knowldge to heal and I give it without strings attached, not, do it my way or else your an asshole or a stupid american., like you are doing.

People are free to make their own discissions as to what is best for them or how they want to live.. If you have no family or ties to anyone and are without that bond, you can never know or profess to know what you would do if you did have it and it was jeprodized, like your fantacy world where it is perfect.. isn't that the otherside, can we bring the two together and are we suppose to. Don't you first have to die before being grated passage to the otherside. And is that true about there being another side, and is anything real or just an illussion.. sometime you just want to get away from all the BS or what is right and who says it's right, just to get through the fucking day. Who are you to tell me I aint living right, you don't have any idea of how I live, brother. I run my own life.

I paid my dues, nothing was handed to me.. I don't need your approval! I'm not here to live up to your expactations now am I!

Good luck with your perfect world, and your judgements. Humm, now there is a sentance that sounds a little moronic. If it were perfect, then there would be no need for judgements, then what would you spend your time doing little foot.

If you have so much time on your hands to just sit and talk, then your not doing enough, to make judgements on others who you don't know, that is not very community minded, would you strip me of my individuel preferences bc they do not emulate yours. Bigot.. Like I said, you are just like the ones you profess to hate. If your preaching to me about the need for peace and unity your preaching to the choir.
sh

 

Hi sh,

Because they want to share in the stolen wealth that is accumulated here.
Because we've trashed their country, directly or by proxy, socially and
environmently and economically.

Etc.

And you love all the stuff you have that was created at the expense of
Nature somewhere else, mostly in other countries.

Nature has nothing to do with political boundaries. It would be here if America
had never happenned. A lot more of it would be, as a matter of fact.

Your rights as a human being do not include what's done to this planet
and to other peoples in order to make your super-materialistic lifestyle
possible. In order to trash other people's environments to make all your
material stuff.

The vast majority of the fighting done by the misnamed Department of
Defense (which is really the Department of Offense) is done to make
the supermaterialistic lifestyle of most Americans possible.

They don't fight for the Constitution, they fight for the greed of the
average American.

Talk is cheap.

If you don't want your space invaded, you should quit invading other people's
spaces. Like Iraq and Afhganistan, for starters.

 

Your lips are moving but only babble is coming forth. You have nothing, so you blast the ones that got up off their asses and made a life for themselves, while you sit and spew discontentment.

I have come across some strange fellows before but you take the cake little foot.

I would like to state right now that you little foot do not represent me as a Original Hippie. You do not convey the opinion of the masses in here. You are the ugly one. You heal nothing and I say to you now, you are NO HEALER and I shun you for your terroristic behavior to your brothers and sister.. now go to your room without dessert!!! OH Yea one more thing, if you hate america and americans, why do you live here, why don't you just go away. You hold no solution, you an antagonest, no wonder you prefer to live away from people, no one could stand to be around you for any lenght of time without shooting themselves!!

Have a Nice Day

sh

 

Sometimes we need to be still, in order to find things may not be about what we thought, and came here with.

War starts inside, and so does peace. It is not really about the other, but about how you see your own self. Can you embrace who you are, and be at peace within yourself ?

There are times we need to sit face to face, and talk in real time, and look deeper and go beyond mere words.

Who are you my brother, who are you my sister ?

 

Let it all hang out! That's better.

I do have solutions. Real ones that are being actualized by people that
I know who live without harming the planet and without exploiting other
people and without violence.

But none of the plastic hippies are interested because it would mean
that they'd actually have to change their lifestyle.

That's the problem, sh. Most people want to effect radical changes
in the world but they don't want to make radical changes in their
own lifestyle.

So their plans and work accomplish nothing but the spinning of
illusions.

So I'm a "terrorist" now, am I? That's what Americans call anyone
who dares to refuse to knuckle under and turn their lives and their
lands over to the American Corporations.

That's what Americans called the 'Native Americans' who resisted the
theft of their lands and the destruction of their cultures.

But the people I respect and talk about are worse than anyone that
Americans usually call "terrrorists" because I don't play the physical
violence game. That's America's favorite game and they don't know
how to deal with non-violent revolution at all. It scares the hell out of them.

They think that everyone wants what they have.

They are wrong.

This country is an artificial hell.


Littlefoot

 

What book are you reading your arguement from LF, I doubt very seriously if you really live like you say everyone else is suppose to live, or do any of the things you accuse everyone else of not doing. I think your the fruad.. yep, that is what I think. OHH and the only hell I see, is you, listening to you!!!

sh

 

Yet another off-topic post from you polluting yet another forum.

Why don't you do the honest and proper thing and start a thread devoted to
criticizing me?

I suggest a title like:

"Littlefoot --- Spawn of the Devil".

Doesn't that have a nice ring to it?

Littlefoot

 

Ohh I see, it's ok for you to blast everyone else, but when the shoe is on the little foot, it's poor you, so misunderstood.. you really are a piece of work.

I'm done with you. Your are an energy ripoff

sh