We were gonna change the world...what happened?

Now kiddiez, got anyting (uv your own) left 2 say after the sappin-zappin mindsuck media spinnspun sparkle glitzzed liez dare in that cranium replacin that plain gray matter seemz not 2 matter 2 duh rich little Americano children.

 

nope you seem to have said it all,ypu mustard bee fill of it,my one and only.Are you a texan?or a swanna bez?

 

I have not read this whole thread, but I did read the first few posts. Part of what happened is COINTELPRO, an FBI counter-intelligence operation that targeted various activist groups using tactics such as the plausible lie, the agent saboteur, the agent provocateur, the informant, and even dirtier tactics. There is a sort of stereotype that the 60's hippies all bought SUVs and sold out. It may be true in some cases, but it is disinformation that minimizes the ideas that activists wanted to explore and hides the fact that many of the movers and shakers were imprisoned, impoverished, driven to insanity and despair, and even killed sometimes (e.g. the MOVE bombing). Here is a nice piece on all of this:


http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/magus-and-swamps-of-eugnosia.html

LKJ's work (in the link above and in general) deals with COINTELPRO not just as the now officially discontinued FBI operation but as a philosophical concept that illustratesthe ways and means that the enemy uses to corrupt the hearts of those who still have or could have a conscience. IMO, it ain't about conservative vs. liberal. It is about pathology vs. sanity. Here is a more brief piece on the history of official COINTELPRO activitiesand it's relevance today from a more mainstream liberal point of view:

http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/cointelpro.html

 

COINTELPRO first came to prominence when it used those same underhanded tactics to bring down the Ku Klux Klan in the early 60s. Who but white supremicists could hold that against them? Unfortunately they didn't stop there and went on to bring down other groups coming out against the war in Vietnam and civil rights activists. In the case of the Weathermen and the Black Panthers there was some justification, but they couldn't stop us all, because the 60s wasn't simply a few organizations but it was a mass social movement of people demanding change. COINTELPRO may be officially discontinued, but with Bush and his cronies justifying their covert wiretapping operations, the spirit lives on.

 

If you look into the case of Judy Barry the Earth First activist victim of a car bombing you will find that the agent in charge was the son of the man running Cointelpro at the time Freddy Hampton was shoot to death in his bed.
for those of you unfamiliar with the case the FBI raided several EF houses up and down the west coast within 15 minutes of the bomb blast. (They seemed to be ready and waiting.) As the Feds tried to show that Judy bombed herself her VW Bug dissappeared from the locked impound yard. The case just got stranger from there and Judy was found not guilty.

 

Sloth Outta Here!

 

i think the new revolution is gonna be a huge mix of people mainly punks and hippies though if we were to join together we could start something new

 

I know what you mean, mosaic. It can be discouraging.

I think I know why we failed back then. We wanted to have our cake and
to eat it too. We wanted to go back to the Garden but wanted to take
cars/pickups/busses and record players and albums (meaning electricity
and factories...) with us. They can't make it through the gate....

Hope that makes sense to you,

Littlefoot

 

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G   G/F#       G/E
I lit out from Reno
G/D    C           C/B     Am/A       D7/F#
I was trailed by twenty hounds
G       G/F#  G/E         G/D  
Didn't get to sleep that night
           C           C/B   Am/A       C/G         
Till the morning came around

   D
I set out running but I take my time
    C
A friend of the Devil is a friend of mine
   D       
If I get home before daylight
   C                                 D7
I might get some sleep tonight 


D
Got two reasons why I cry
away each lonely night
C
First one's named sweet Anne Marie
and she's my heart's delight
D
Second one is prison, baby (babe)
the sheriff's on my trail
C
If he catches up with me
                             D       D7
I'll spend my life in jail

Littlefoot

 

Kinda gives new meaning to the phrase "you can't take it with you"...

 

You guys did change the world without you, this forum wouldnt be here, there wouldnt be nearly as many young hippies are there are now a days. If it was for the hippie generation of your time, who knows if i would would be hippie today. When i found this form i felt like I finally found i group of people i could relate to, and consider myslef a part of. Thank you.

Peace and love,
Jimmy

 

Quote:
I think I know why we failed back then. We wanted to have our cake and
to eat it too. We wanted to go back to the Garden but wanted to take
cars/pickups/busses and record players and albums (meaning electricity
and factories...) with us. They can't make it through the gate....

Chortle

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But in all seriosity, Mellow Yellow. I lived on a commune in
Northern California for 9 years. And we were eventually shut
down by Building Codes because we wouldn't take that final
step and break away from the System entirely.

We were self-sufficient in all of the necessities, but just couldn't
give up the vehicles and the stereos and the tapes and LPs.

Even though we had many fine musicians among us who played
acoustic instruments.

Same thing happenned to our sister communes in the area. We
had such a GOOD life. Walking through the woods to another
village (that's what we called them -- I just use the word "commune"
because everyone knows what that means) that was 10 miles
away was nothing but FUN.

Later,

Littlefoot

 

So in essence, we've traded freedom for "security". If only your people were able to live completely primitively and off the radar, you might've kept it going, but the system shut you down for building codes, and if it hadn't been for that, it probably would've been something else like social services threatening to take your kids away. A group of friends of ours have thought of doing this sort of thing for years, moving to a remote area where building codes are virtually non-existent, but it's only a matter of time till the system catches up to you. Not to mention we were serious about this a decade ago, now we're all entrenched with kids, etc. But hey, at least we have security, right?

 

That's just it, MY, we _could_ live off the radar. We'd been
developing the skills for years. But our lifestyle wasn't especially
primitive. We had artificial light and hot showers and good soap
and towels and steel tools....

We weren't _willing_ to do what was necessary, which was to just
move off into the mountains around us and leave the stereos and
vehicles behind.

Not sure "security" was the issue. Depends on what you mean
by that. Part of it was losing contact with families and friends
in the straight world. Geesh! Maybe security was part of it.

Absolutely. A lot of areas banned home schooling around that time. And
they created the Single-Family-Dwelling zoning designation. Economic
withdrawal is de facto secession and the Establishment would never
allow that, of course. That's why we needed to go underground. Just
fade away into the forests and only contact people in person who
seemed like they were ready to evolve and join us.

You can get away with ignoring most of the Building, Health, and Safety
Codes if you are a very small group. Otherwise they'll get you. Unless
you camouflage your community. All of the Counties in the U.S. have
small planes they send out regularly to check out what's happenning.

Security in this system? That's as illusory as freedom in this system.
But you are right, a lot of people believe it. That's the biggest problem
we have right now: People believing things that are obviously not true.

But they don't look at the real world, they watch the Boob Tube and
trust the the Corporate mouthpieces telling them that they live in
the Greatest Country On Earth (I'm in America).

Cheers,

Littlefoot

 

Yeah, but it's good to know some of us still have an idea of what it was like, and what it could be if we were willing to make some sacrifices. I think you nailed it on the head though when you mentioned the biggest sacrifice being the loss of contact with friends and family, which, as I get older, seems to become more and more important.

At least we have the opportunity to live it for a short while when we go back packing, or camping with the kids at music festivals, 'reminds us what's real, y'know?

 

but things did change... just watch tv for like ten minutes... the sixties changed everything.

 

The 60s were the beginning of A New Age, the Age Of Aquairus, (you've all heard the song). With the new age aproaching a change came over humanity, it came from the Universe. New technology that put men on the moon and discoveries of 'hidden knowledge' unearthed or revealed by sincroniscity.

A Time of Change that touched souls and cried out for Equaility for all humanity. It brought us to a place where we looked inside ourselves and what was going on around us, a lifting of the fog type thing. With the help of mind expanding drugs, like LSD-25, Peyote, Shrooms, and other physchedelic delites, we Peeked into the otherside as we Peaked through the Universe of our Being.

We were the message we carried, we were choosen to carry out a mission of Peace. To make the world ready for the changes that were coming about. Our calling was to balance out the negitive forces that had overtaken our world and created chaos in an otherwise peaceful land.

Our opposition of course was the War and Un-Civil Rights. It was our destiny, our role to play out, as it was written on the otherside. Our time had come to, come forth, and bring in the Light of Peace, Love, Brotherhood and Unity, thus creating a compatiable way of dealing with politics and enviromental issues, over population and greed. A Balancing force that saved us from the further distruction of mankind.

We went in leaps and bounds, from the horse and buggy days to a man on the moon in a mear 50 yrs...look at us now in Cyber Space..it's science fiction turned reality. The Bill Gates of us, born for the change, were gifted to bring these things into our universe, for the betterment of mankind.

As time/history oft repetes itself, the time has come again to ward off the negitive forces that keep us oppressed and uninte once again to counter-act the negitive vibrations that are tipping the scales and creating unbalance in our world.

What's coming next is up to the way we see things, our action on what we believe is right and true. Are we ready for the next level of consciousness. I hope we are preparing, it is upon us now.. knocking on our door.

sh

 

We did stop the Vietnam war. The potential is there,people can still change society so what if you have kids. It's their future. Are you gonna stand back and do nothin'? Shine on and stand up!

 

P.S May love and peace be within you and around you always and the stars of freedom shine forever in your mind

 

We stopped the Vietnam war after millions of people were killed and
the country was virtually destroyed.

Not much of a victory.

Now we have another one, and the so-called 'progressives' aren't stopping
it either.

Because they don't really want to. They'd like to, but not if it means losing
control of most of the world's oil reserves.

That would mean making some fundamental changes in their lifestyles
and plans and they aren't into that.

So they posture and shout slogans and get out of the way and let the
conservatives do what they are doing and pretend that they don't have
anything to do with it.

Littlefoot