We Need Three Planets to Keep the Human Race Alive, NASA Scientist Says

it's not working in china, just so you know. there are 18% more males our age than females, due to the murder of unwanted daughters.

 

Asmo's right because that is exactly what is going on when you look at the rate of increase.
The greatest increase in population took place from the late '40's through the late 70's in which time the world's population doubled.

But since then the actual rate of increase has been steadily declining.
One thing folks overlook is the death rate as well. Advances in medical science has done more then it's fair share to increase population numbers.
More people survive childhood, reproduce and then continue to live another 30-40 years past their viable reproductive years, which quite frankly as far as nature is concerned is the only thing of importance.
Once you have reproduced and fulfilled your biological commitment to the species, you are no longer useful, best illustrated by the fruit fly.

Just because we have the cognitive and emotional ability to reflect upon our situation and alter our environment to our favor, does not for one second alleviate us from that basic biological rule that govern all process's.

Remember AALLLLL of biology and nature for everything that is alive
is geared towards reproduction and continuation of the species, ALL of it.
Everything else and all evolutionary "advances" exists to serve that purpose.

So whenever the last of us old "baby boomer" fucks finally die off within the next 25-30 years, there will be a noticeable decrease in the population.

 

I don't think i need to, read the papers, then read the history books pre-1933

 

I don't need to, I know those wars weren't started to get rid of overpopulation Maybe you need to reread them. Are you saying it is worth starting a (world) war in order to get rid of ovepopulation?

 

I never said that, i simply said that World wars tend to reduce populations, maybe, if the conspiracies are right, that will happen one day, hopefully i wont be around to see it. Hope you are not implying i'm a war monger, i'm a pacifist, i've seen with my own eyes the results of war....The solution is probably a change in culture where people have to take on responsibility, persuade the Pope that maybe its a good idea for his flock to use Johnny Bags or pop a pill...2 kids per family should be enough to keep the Human race sustainable....Which is pretty much what you suggested, but everyone has to be part of it, not just us in the West.

 

My 2cents,

I skimmed through this thread and didn't catch every single post. Didn't care to.

Whenever I see a human population graph, a line that indicates the population level suddenly forms an upward jump that has been shooting straight up off the charts and into the sky. This population explosion occurred sometime in the mid 19th century and the industrial revolution.

Every population study of Rats in an enclosed environment, the give the rats limited food and resource. Over the course of time the rats reproduce like crazy and overpopulate the whole cage. Next thing you know they're battling each other for what little there is left. They eventually turn to eating each other; this is known as the rat cage effect. The only chances those lab rats could have survived is if they could escape their biodome cage.

And this is why I fully endorse the space exploration program. We landed a man on the moon already, we can do a lot more. I don't want humans to fall into the rat cage effect without any way or means to inhabit other planets or space stations.

 

I wanna live in the Andromeda Galaxy.
I call dibs.

 

I agree with most of this. The world population has more than doubled in the last 50 years. The population in 1950 was less than half of today's figure.
http://www.census.gov/population/international/data/idb/worldpopgraph.php

I do think that if we don't stop being so greedy as a society and wasting resources at the rate we are in the name of profits we are going to be in trouble in the future so we can either start doing things differently (smarter) now, or eventually be forced to anyway when it might be too late by the time the corporate powered finally get their heads out of their asses.

I do still think that there is plenty on this planet to sustain our population "at current" and that most of the scarcity is mostly artificial. The rich plunder and hoard all the resources, there plenty to go around if u divide things up fairly but NO, we can't do that...that wouldn't be fair, well wouldn't be fair to the rich and greedy would it? The point is that these things do exist but some people don't get allowed access to what they need for economic reasons. This is my view anyway as I see it.

There's enough in this word for everyone's needs, but not everyone's greed.

Electronics come to mind, but this applies to many other things as well. Planned obsolescence is where products are designed with a shirt life span on purpose in order to make more money. With the old phones before cell phones once you had one you really would never need to buy one again unless it got broken somehow or ceased to function for whatever reason. Computers (and other related types of electronic devices) are mass produced more and more cheaply each day, using lots of electricity and surely producing some toxic waste products that may or may not be disposed of properly. The rate of obsolescence is so great these days and after just a few years it is useless and finds it's way into the dump. They don't have to be designed this way, with this "business model" of hardware design and software development. This is really exactly opposite of the way a programmer or hardware designer would/should approach a project ... Because it's driven by big business now, back in the old days it was a different story completely.

Much of it is a societal problem, a problem with our thinking. It's pretty obvious to me too that we definitely haven't reached the end of the evolutionary process..there is much to be desired in human nature and many parts of human behavior still seems barbaric to me in some ways.

 

Anyone want to buy some Martian Real Estate, i got a few Hectares going cheap?

 

Have you left yet? If not, I call shotgun.

 

Pretty sure terraforming Mars is impossible due to Mars having a weak magnetic field. Any atmosphere we tried to create would just be swept away by solar winds.

 

^^^unless the atmosphere was created inside of a large dome.

that's because their is no "end" to the evolutionary process. well...i guess it would be extinction.

but i agree with that 2nd sentence.

 

There's real problems facing humanity.

Let's face them before it's too late, instead of wasting our time on pipe dreams about terraforming planets too small to have the atmosphere we need. Mars will never be inhabitable by humans, especially not on any scale we'd need.

Humanity will not out-last earth.

 

People like you probably said the same thing about electricity and computers.
We could theoretically induce a planetary magnetic field around Mars at some point in the future.
At any rate, technology always moves forward. Urging people to abandon it is precisely the opposite of solving humanity's problems.

 

I'm not urging anyone to abandon technology, I think nasa's budget needs a "0" added to the end, if not a few of them....

But the whole "ditch earth" thing is a lame excuse for crapping up the planet we've got - if you look at the reality of it, we will not get off earth, and we will not have good lives anywhere but earth, within our lifetimes. Even if we did, earth would be the best planet for us, and for life. We need to stop distracting from saving earth, and we need to stop giving lame excuses to those fucking earth up.



If you think earth is a lost cause, humanity is equally lost, in the same time-frame.

 

Going to Mars isn't about ditching Earth.

 

It's a popular direction to talk in when people bring up how fucked earth is.

To many people, it IS about ditching earth, it's about some sort of clean slate. Earth is fucked, let's just go to mars, brah.

What those retards don't get, is that fixing earth would be SO much simpler than fixing a barren atmosphereless wasteland...... if the sahara desert is not a lush paradise yet, even talking about mars is fucking silly.

Fixing the planet we're on is the only option we have. Pipe dreams and pet projects should not get in the way of that understanding. We don't need three planets to keep the human race alive, we need to start by worrying about ONE planet that we even CAN survive on - when we have that secured, maybe we can think about terraforming barren and generally unsuitable rocks.

 

The two goals are not mutually exclusive.
We can keep Earth and go to Mars.

Literally no one thinks about Earth the way you say they do. You're arguing against a straw man.

 

both of these statements, in and of themselves, are fundimentally true. their intent if you scratch their surface might be another matter.
at any rate, technology is not the missing piece of solving the environment problem.
socio-politico-economic morality, the inadiquite existence of, is.
and even this is as much or more a matter of culture as of ideology itself.
as in every other aspect of life, it is not the little green pieces of paper that are unhappy.

 

Mars doesn't have to become the new Earth but it is still the closest planet to test shit on. It only makes sense if we want to explore space to start experimenting with bases on places like the moon and Mars.