We need a diverse virus task force

Discussion in 'Politics' started by 6-eyed shaman, Apr 4, 2020.

  1. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    "Race" wars pretty much means a party war. You are saying all those NRA Trump voters are going to help the black and brown people? Don't think so. Those are the lazy people on welfare and the ones trying to make you feel sorry for them by dragging their kids over the border.

    Just like now a lot of those voters will swear up and down they are not racist. But they are especially not a Democrat so it's OK to stand beside the Nazi.
     
  2. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Rigid Staff Member

    You're amazingly well read on klan shit. Or you make shit up as you go.

    You're still trying to push what I'm saying into a black or white box and that has not been what I am saying at all. It happens with ALL groups of humans, no matter the color. People create divisions among the population along a variety of lines. It's not necessarily a race issue at all. The race equation is a human attempt to explain it. It has been contemplated by far more educated people than the average kkk plebe.
     
  3. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    I don't think you understand me at all.

    I'm saying the opposite of what you are hearing regarding boxes.
    Everyone does it ok. So why does that make it ok for you? You do this often. Let's not a fix a problem because it's a big problem and "fixing" means you victimize someone and ignore another guilty party.
     
  4. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Rigid Staff Member

    Nope, you're still reading your own opinions into this and calling them mine. I'm not saying prejudice is "ok" at all. I'm just saying that no group has an exclusive propensity for it either. If you're human, you're fully capable of being a prejudicial bigot or even a racist. No matter what "color" you are. I'm not dodging the issue, I'm dealing with it head on instead of looking for a convenient scapegoat and copping out.
     
  5. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Rigid Staff Member

    Or this.
     
  6. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    Many militias have a strong alt-right vibe. War is a time for the right kind of people to survive. And even among the more casual gun owners I have heard the joke or threat that when civil war comes they shoot the Democrats or the people who voted to take their guns because they won't even have guns.

    The FBI itself notices this white supremacist threat in America. If it comes down to race those people are not helping certain people. I don't think war happens based on skin color. More like politics realistically. But most minority voters vote for one party.

    I would say I'm dealing with it head on not "coping" out by saying everyone does it. I'm glad we agree everyone can be racist.
     
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  7. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Rigid Staff Member

    Indeed, but it's a choice. Not a matter of genetics.
     
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  8. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    I don't know about the Trump voters, but there are white Republicans who would find it hard to support a bunch of neo-Nazi goons killing black & brown people out of :(1) basic human empathy; and (2) awareness that if the thugs take over, the America we know and love will have gone up in smoke.
     
  9. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    Yes it's important to not label every Trump voter racist. It's possible to like guns and small government without that. But these voters usualy care a lot about so called "free speech over hurt feelings". So in my opinion they don't do enough to weed out the racist element of their party. Free speech is so important you ignore all that socialist censorship. And you do have your guns anyway so terrorists are no big deal.

    These are the kind of white people who might argue the N word is just a word so why can they say it and I can't. It's a ignorant racism in some ways. The alternative is to be censored and where does that stop? If we allow one persons feelings to matter what happens when the next cries a word is racist?

    It's why they like Trump being so rude. It's a statement against manners that censor.
     
  10. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Rigid Staff Member

    This is just the sucky side of free speech, it's not specific to racism at all. You can hurt someone's feelings by making fun of their ugly dog, there's no racial element.

    The problem with relying so stridently on racism is that you'll soon find it in every aspect of life. Because it's a lens you use to see the world.

    So if the ugly dog is black, is that racism? Of course not.

    But the idea that we're ever going to legislate hurt feelings away by sanctioning the assholes is not realistic. Unless we can figure out how to make being an asshole illegal. But that becomes too subjective to manage, most of the public would be in jail!
     
  11. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    Everyone sees the same thing. It's an element because other people make it one. The police for example. A lot of black people getting shot vs white people even when the black person is innocent or a nonviolent misdemeanor. Most jobs and landlords in America don't care what you are I think. But there are biases in law enforcement. A certain type of person is becoming a cop or they are trained to think a certain way at the academy. It's pretty easy to be a cop in the US compared to other countries and statistics show black men get longer sentences for the same crime vs a white person. Fix the cops and courts and it goes a long way to fixing racism.

    I'm not saying you can't call a spade a spade.
     
  12. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Rigid Staff Member

    The cops shoot more white people than any other race. Nobody cares about that because, percentages. But whole numbers are reality.

    The other reality that seems to evade far too many black guys is that fighting with cops will get you killed. So why risk it? This is an old story that has gained traction because it's convenient. There's no shortage of guys who pick fights with cops, then end up dead.

    I'm no lover of cops. I've had way too many of them go off the books and cause me shit for pure entertainment. I've had them try to goad me into throwing a punch. My favorite cop lie goes something like "it will go easier on you if you tell me where the dope is now". Laughing in their face pisses them off too, I had one trip me on concrete stairs with a night stick while I was handcuffed because I humiliated him about his pizza face.

    It's kind of amazing a cop hasn't ever shot me.
     
  13. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    Considering that whites still make up over 73% of the population in the U.S. and African-Americans make up 13.4% of the population, it isn't surprising that cops shoot more white people in this country. What is surprising is that, given the percentages, the victims of their shootings seem so disproportionally black. FACT CHECK: Do Police Kill More White People Than Black People? Whole numbers are a reality, but it's the percentages that count. Figures don't lie, but liars can figure.
     
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  14. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Rigid Staff Member

    "Whole numbers are a reality, but it's the percentages that count." Only when you need to support a narrative. Consider how many people don't care when white crooks are executed by cops. Most white people do not care about this. Which is why the very idea that they'd care about crooks of another race being executed by the cops is laughable. You demonstrate this in absolute terms. You clearly don't give a crap about the white crooks being killed either. So welcome to that club.
     
  15. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Seconded :D (jk 'panic ;))
     
  16. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Rigid Staff Member

    I invited it in the back seat of a patrol car once. The cop was all giddy about finding shit to bust me for, broken tail light kind of crap. All because I refused to let him search my car.

    So I said "Doesn't this all add up to you putting a bullet in my head man? Really, what's the point of this, I'm within my rights to refuse a search, so you're going to look for shit to slap on me for what? The fun of it?" Followed by "So why not drive me out to the woods and get it over with, it's clearly what you want".

    I don't talk to cops like that anymore, but I had a serious death wish back then.

    3 more of them showed up and took my car apart on the roadside, even removing the back seat. I didn't consent, but they said I did. FUCK cops.

    Oh, and they didn't find my dope, after all that. But they left me in the dark to reassemble my car and drove off laughing about it. Again, FUCK cops.
     
  17. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Those malpractices by cops were always rare in my country happily.
     
  18. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    Lot of people care about whites getting shot. Most of the sovereign citizens are white right wing people afraid of big government. They are the ones who say like you just do whatever the cops say yet they feel they have the right to carry guns around them and mouth off. Even when they are armed they get nice treatment. The white guy who shot up a black church a few years ago was not shot even though he had lots of guns and the cop even waited in a drive through so he could eat before his life sentence. Black guys don't get that kind of treatment usually.
     
  19. WritersPanic

    WritersPanic Rigid Staff Member

    Yea, that one particular event was weird. But have you noticed that there were no marches for Dylan Roof either? Because most white Americans don't admire or patronize criminals or racists. And it doesn't matter what color they are.

    Few can name any of Roof's victims because the whole event was hijacked to go after confederate flags.
     
  20. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    Few can ever name the victims except their next of kin. And then they're in danger of being dismissed as "Crisis Actors".
     
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