We Are Betrayed

When someone espouses violence in protest I prefer to have links to his causes.

 

listen up twat ! where in my sig or anywhere else have i ever advocated killing people ??? I want an answer and an apology !!

 

Maybe not people, but those that can kill animals easily can branch out to people without blinking an eye. And you definitely espouse violent protest. In fact you promote it.

 

moron !!!!! the name ronald macdonald is an irony - i chose it to symbolise that we have all but thrown them out of the UK and Europe - that will be a little later - naturally macdonalds only interest was in slaughtering huge numbers of cattle for burgers - are you saying every farmer is a serial killer of human beings - get a life !!! and ask your doc for some anti senility tablets

 

Violence really proves a point doesn't it? And those creating the violence wear masks to hide their identity. Not a protest I would be proud of taking part in.

 

Protests are not a matter of pride, last I heard.

 

He's a typical euro-trash anarchist. Incite violence, overthrow that which we oppose "by any means necessary". I feel soiled that I used Malcolm's words to describe him.

He's no better than those who supported Franco's Spain. He and his ilk really don't care what you think. If you don't agree with him, you're a moron, you're an idiot, you deserve to be dragged behind a truck, you should be burned alive, exiled, etc etc. Scratch a violent anarchist, find a racist, a fascist, an isolationist and a truckload of hate. It's not about bringing down corporate control, it's about whoring yourself for attention.

Outside of that, he's a troll and not a very good one.

 

Violence really proves a point doesn't it?

well actually it does, both the WTO, the World Bank, and the G8 have all changed policy mid meeting to accomodate the wishes of rioters. - not poeacefull protesters but rioters - you should read your history before posting

 

Smartest thing said yet!

 

So you DO advocate murder as a tool for revolution make up your mind!

 

What the fuck is the matter with you people? You love guns, but you are scared of rioting?!?!? make your minds up!

 

yeah theyre all comin out the woodwork now - the USA is on the run and these rebels are fuckin scared - instead of stamping a jackboot into their leaders face like he has been doing to them and other american citizens over the last decade - they start flag waving and accusing people of advocating murder - which BTW does not exist in any thread I have made.

So we get to find out who the oath takers are in hip forums who are the government men and who are the real rebels - yeah you guys have just been fiddling with your dicks while reading about political issues - but it takes real men to overthrow the power !

hahaha - oh and zoomie - if you think anarchism is anything like Franco's fascism I suggest you really educate yourself about that - since anarchism is really all about putting people before all other considerations and respecting people - while you and the other sordid capitalist cretins here - wouldnt know real politics till it rears up and bites yer ass off - hopefully we europeans will persuade the USA to turn and follow us this week !!!! we will see we will see -

grabs tickets, passport, and clothes - starts packing for Rostock !!!!!

BTW do you suffer with piles, zoomie, ya know - bumgrapes, erm hemmaroids? I bet you do -

 

The most intelligent, true, and well said post I've ever seen on this site!

 

By the way, it's pretty discouraging to see such animosity in this thread. I fear that everyone here could be an accurate sampling of the segment of the population that opposes the two party system: we'd just argue and destroy ourselves if the people were in power.

 

I think people here are uneducated on the benefits of capitalism, the fact that pitting creative individuals against each other to create better inventions is a good thing for our species. It strives everyone to improve themselves.

I do think our form of capitalism needs to become a lot kinder to the unfortunate in terms of allowing at least their basic needs to be met. We have people growing in such hopeless situations in Africa that they don't even have a chance to grow into their identities, let alone become creative beings. They are lucky to live past childhood. Such a waste of young imaginations.

Capitalism does not have to be about greed. Or as much about greed. Research shows that people in prestigious jobs with a great deal of responsibility are happier than people who merely make a lot of money (win the lottery, are an actress or athlete, etc.). Maybe we can create a hybrid of capitalism and socialism where the wealthy gladly give up some of their money to help others survive and obtain an education and a means to hold power in the system. However, the education process is crucial, because merely allowing people to survive yet not become educated individuals capable of making responsible decisions and benefiting humanity does not elevate humanity at all.

The issue here is responsibility. In the end an individual can be strong or cowardly regardless of what he's faced with. No one is born a hero or coward, he creates himself through his thoughts and actions. I think we have the power to help those that falter but ultimately they need to help themselves.

As for anarchy, okay maybe it has the potential to work but I don't see it proving itself through the actions of the people. As it's been said before, where is the successful model of anarchy that we can study? From what I know, no anarchy has existed for very long before some power took control and ended the state of anarchy.

Is that what we should do? Rip down all the progress we've made so we can start again, reinvent the wheel?

I don't mean to be condescending but anarchy raises a lot of questions and few answers. At least you can analyze capitalism and critique it because it's here and it's in effect. Capitalism is an ongoing and evolving action, it is tangible and we can reach out, study it, and join it as powerful members of the system if we choose to, while anarchy is a dream, alive only in the minds of individuals.

Again, where is a successful model of anarchy to be found so that we might study it?

 

WS, they own guns BECAUSE they're scared of rioting. And black people. And hispanic people. And Muslims. And Asians. And bears. Big bears.

 

I can't support the Democrats in the next election, they are just as evil as the Republicans. What options do we have left? Revolution? The Green Party? :&[/QUOTE]
There is no right political party. Weith we were democrat, repulblica, green party (etc.) do u think they give a piss? War happens under all political parties and at the end of the day they are all as guilty as the criminals they fight hard to put in jail.

 

Toeing the party line is weak. Individual elected officials never stand by their convictions, they go with their party line.

 

The RNC and DNC have third parties locked out. They threatened to arrest Nader just for being in the same building as the debate and trying to watch. It's below their dignity for someone they don't like to even be in the same building, let alone actually participate in the debate.

I remember a woman who protested against Bush's wife during the 2004 campaign. She was escorted out of the facility. There wasn't a problem until she started talking with journalists on the sidewalk away from the building. Everything was going ok and then the police arrested her. All of the jaws dropped on the journalists when they put her in cuffs.

They can't stand anyone who doesn't agree with them, whether it's Nader or a housewife. What they dislike even more is when people are with journalists or on the TV and telling their views about it.

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How much did they change their platforms or agendas. The world still had to accept Gaft and Nafta, nothing changed there. Please, tell us what the rioters accomplished.