Was I Wrong To Do This?

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  1. Crystal_Nocked

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    So I am a member of this UFC type gym in the city where I live. I've been doing boxing since Goden Gloves as a teen. And I club-boxed in college and a little in the Navy. Doing those 3round "smokers" when my Air Squadron was aboard a carrier. I still spar a bit and am not bad. But by no means a pro, or even at a ranked-amateur level.

    There is a young girl, about seven or eighht years younger than me who trains at my gym and IS a pro boxer! At the regional level, that is. She fights bantamweight I think and does fights in the Texas and Soutwest area. She;s always sparring at the gym, with other women. But she always is challenging guys to box. Says she doesn't want to be though of a "a girl" and welcomes any male. Even brags about kicking ass on a guy.

    So I take her up on her challenge for a three-round smoker. With a ref, who is the co-owner of the gym. Me being, after all, just a near-middle-aged dude who never boxed anywhere near pro. Right?

    So, after sort of feeling each other out and dancing and jabbing in the first round. I get down to biz and, her punches are so weak--like most lilttle girls--that I don't bother fending them off or blocking. I just stridw right into her and do a 1-2 combo in her head. then a 3-4 in the midesection. She doubles over, and I finish her with an uppercut. She goes down and the ref stops it. She is dazed.

    She begins yelling at me for going full speed on a girl! Really? So does another couple of women in the gym. The mgr. laughs and says I did nothing wrong. She challenged me. Most of the guys in there agree.

    What do you think? Is it wrong to hit a woman even when challenged by her and in a sanctioned ring (actually an octagon cage) and even more, she is a professional?

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    Cheers.
     
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  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    When you spar someone in the martial arts it should never be your intent to cause injury.

    So only you can answer your question.
     
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  3. No way...you didn't do anything wrong. She wants to be a boxer, she needs to learn how to take some hits. That's boxing, right? If girls want to compete with men, they're gonna have to learn somehow.
     
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  4. autophobe2e

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    Daft match, there are weight classes for a reason. This sort of thing is just dick-swinging, regardless of gender, and the gym owner shouldn't have given it the go ahead.

    She shouldn't have challenged you, the manager shouldn't have given it the go ahead and you shouldn't have taken her up.

    Beyond that though, she shouldn't have challenged someone to a full contact match and then had a go at them when they went full steam, providing all parties were committed to a full-contact match.
     
  5. YouFreeMe

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    I think MeAgain gave a great answer.

    But if you are asking if you were wrong in accepting her challenge, and then defeating her, because she was a woman. Then no. Were you wrong if you accepted her challenge, knowing you could easy hurt her and she could not adequately defend herself? Wrong to accept if you knew that she had no chance of overpowering you? Maybe. I wouldn't accept a challenge from someone significantly smaller than me, because nothing positive could come of it. I would feel guilty for allowing myself to hurt someone who I knew had no chance against me.
     
  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Good point on the weight classes.

    Let's assume you weight 250 pounds and some 100 pound kid, boy or girl, gets full of themselves and challenges you.
    Should you unload on them?
    Would it be right to hurt them just because they were arrogant enough to think they could compete with you?

    I coached amateur wrestling many years and I would never have let someone intentionally hurt someone else.
    For example there were certain individuals who had the balls to think they could fight one of my wrestlers, and they only had one arm, or were blind, one guy only had one leg.
    My guys were told to put up a good fight, but don't hurt anyone.
    These poor guys were all heart, but couldn't do much against a good wrestler. I had tremendous respect for them.

    So reconsidering...you were completely wrong to do what you did.
    You knew you were fighting a weaker opponent as you didn't even have to put up a defense. Then you had the balls to lay her out instead of helping her by using your superior strength, and defense to let her work up to her potential. She couldn't harm you and you could have taught her how to put up a better defense by lightening your blows...showing her her weaknesses by not landing full force hits.

    But you wanted to humiliate her for challenging a man.
    What you did had nothing to do with sportsmanship at all.
     
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  7. Crystal_Nocked

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    Thanks for your comments, mate.

    I need to add that we used 12 oz gloves and head gear. And of course mouth guards.

    I probably outweighed her by about 30 lbs. I'm pretty skinny. But I had a good reach advantage, being about seven inches taller.
     
  8. Crystal_Nocked

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    Thanks for your comments, mate.


    I need to add that we used 12 oz gloves and head gear. And of course mouth guards.

    I probably outweighed her by about 30 lbs. I'm pretty skinny. But I had a good reach advantage, being about seven inches taller.
     
  9. morrow

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    Me again is right.. she challenged you, but did you really have to go so far, you could have caused her real damage..
    I think I would have humiliated her rather that hurt her, which you did.
    No, you didn't do wrong, you just went too far.
    I wonder if you would have reacted in the same way if it had been a bantom weight guy?
     
  10. Crystal_Nocked

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    I need to be clear that I was far from sure I'd win. I'm sure she's technically quicker than me.

    But I do admit to rightly surmising that I could probably let her blows land on me and just walk into her and throw combos. I've been a long time believer after seeing man y female fighters that most men could easily weather their blows. I argue with some of my mates on this. For example, I used to say that an average gym rat non professional sparring guy in good shape could defeat a Ronda Rousey.

    Some of my mates are wildly divided on this. But I did think that with pillow gloves and headgear that there was no way I was going down. Short of tripping.
     
  11. Crystal_Nocked

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    I agree. And I can assure you guys I never wanted to hurt her. But I did want to win. I figured it would be with a three knockdown rule.

    Also to be clear...she was not hurt. She never lost consciousness. She was unable to rise past one knee for the ten count, though. Sorry if I gave the impression I knocked her cold. I did daze her. She tried to rise to two feet and got halfway up and come back down on her knee. And the ref stopped it. Tko.

    Ten minutes after the match ended she was perfectly fine.
     
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  12. I'minmyunderwear

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    yes you were wrong. when a younger woman wants to fight you, you should wrestle her. preferably in mud or jello.
     
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  13. themnax

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    did someone twist her arm to get into the ring?
    i mean for all you knew she could have been the one to ko you, right?
    sooooo. unless the op is drastically misrepresenting the situation,
    i mean receiving is part of giving and the whole point of such contests,
    isn't it?

    oh well, its not my sport so i don't expect to get it.
    i don't even know or want to know what's fair and what's foul in it.
     
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  14. themnax

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    your answer is certain to the point of his asking, and would undoubtedly be a lot more fun for spectators, possibly even for participants.
     
  15. Lynnbrown

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    No, you did nothing wrong. It sounded like she kept on and on and basically if you had NOT agreed to the fight, she would have talked endless smack about you...as well as she would probably have thought she was truly ALL THAT. (I've known women like that...they NEVER like finding out the truth of the matter.)


    I had to address what you said about Rhonda...my son is 6'4" and works out regularly at the gym. He is strong and in good shape, weighs about 196 (I think he said). Anyway...we were talking about Rhonda one day - and she definitely thought she was ALL THAT. lol (even now, I bet she does) At any rate, my son has said if Rhonda ever got him down on the floor/ground, then he believes she would whip him! lol

    Of course I don't think she'd ever be able to get him down.
     
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  16. Irminsul

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    What a tough guy picking on little chicks. :D
     
  17. Crystal_Nocked

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    Little chick is a pro boxer, amigo.

    Little chick continually challenged other males to get into the ring.

    Little chick was never picked on. Instead, it was the other way around.

    Your answer is a Straw Man Argument.

    If you can't justify your answer and just feel compelled to leave a groundless and inaccurate and borderline insulting comment, I will thank you to refrain from participating in my thread.

    Thanks in advance!!
     
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  19. hotwater

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    You had every right to go full-on with her or she just might have kicked your ass

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  20. guerillabedlam

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    If she's pro and asking for the challenge, I don't see it as wrong to hit her. That's one of the primary techniques of the competition isn't it? Why would that be wrong?
     
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