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That's beauty. Makes perfect sense, I don't know why I didn't understand. Now I do. Thanks!

 

"The fig tree doesn't represent a person, or people, it is an instruction to be watching the passing 'seasons' so that we may know when the end of the Age is near. Although we cannot know the exact day and hour, there is no reason not to see it coming, and be ready."

-The fig tree has always been a symbol of Israel to suggest that it only reffering to the passing of the seasons would render this verse complete nonsense. If what you were saying was true, then all the Bible prophecies would have been fulfilled and all the Christians would be living in heaven right now.

"Besides, if Jehovah led the Israelites out of Egypt, so long ago, making them his people, then why did they have to wait until 1948 to become an official country? What authority greater than G-d's deemed that year the time they actually, officially became a nation? That doesn't even make any sense!"


-The God of the Bible stated that when the gentiles gave up their rule over Israel that would be the time when the prophetic clock would start to speed up. Two thousand years may seem like a long time to you but in god's timing it has only been 2 days. The reason He let this many generations go by is because He has been gathering souls. The reason He has brought the Jews back to Israel is to drive the world crazy. The world is going to find out that the same God that split the Red Sea is the same God that will protect Israel in these last days. The Jews in this process will finally reconize who their Messiah is. And so will the world.


Generation:

When Jesus said surely this generation will not passaway untill all endtime prophecies are fulfilled, He is not taking 40 or 70 years, He is saying that there will still be people alive from that generation. 1948: The year of the rule of the Gentiles ended.


Kharakov,

War, murders, kidnappings, etc. are caused by God.

-Why do you think it is God? I was under the impressing that we have free will.

God is God. Jesus is an alarm clock.

-Jesus is God and I hope your alarm clock is ringing.

 

Christians have been claiming that since it was written. He clearly says 'this' generation.

Jesus is clearly not God or there would be no distinction between them. If you truly beleive that there is no difference then all of your messiah predictions are pretty misguided. Jesus clearly portrayed himself as a messenger. Sadly his message today has been lost in so many stories.

 

God you Joker!

 

Popthree,

"Christians have been claiming that since it was written. He clearly says 'this' generation.

Jesus is clearly not God or there would be no distinction between them. If you truly beleive that there is no difference then all of your messiah predictions are pretty misguided. Jesus clearly portrayed himself as a messenger. Sadly his message today has been lost in so many stories."

-Christians always looked forward to Jesus returning. Yet our Generation is the first one to see the Jews return to Israel after two thousand years. The prophecy clock is now ticking. The fact that the Jews took South Israel first, and Jerusalem second, the fact that the East gate is still sealed, the fact Europe is coming together as a single nation, the fact that China can raise a 200 million man army, the fact that cities can be destroyed in one hours time and the fact that the Bible predicted all of this and so much more are signs that Jesus will return in this generation. And he does ask the question will there be any faith left on the earth when He returns?


-The Jews did not kill Jesus because He said he was a messenger, the Jews killed Jesus because He said he was God.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

 

The reason I put 'seasons' in quotes was so you wouldn't interpret my use as literal. First the fruit ripens, then it is harvested. The fruits of the spirit once again ripening is what we are to watch for. I definitely see that happening, but I think we're only at the start of the 'ripening'. There's a ways to go, yet, but we're in the home stretch, that I agree with.
Matthew 21:18-22 tells of the fig tree, as well.

18Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.
20When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. "How did the fig tree wither so quickly?" they asked.
21Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. 22If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."


What does that say to you?

There is no G-d's timing, time is a mechanism in place for mankind. The understanding that 1 day = 1000 years is an assumption made by those who assume a lot of other things. Assumptions = arrogance. Two thousand years is an Age. Jesus arrived at the beginning of the Piscean age, hence the Jesus fish symbolism (fishers of men). The next age is the Aquarian age, the 'water bearer', the bearer of holy water (not the pseudo holy water of the Pope's religion), living water, the waters of life, etc. That is the importance of baptism, also. 'The first is by water, the second by fire.'

The designation of Isreal to a location, a piece of land, is one source which creates massive misunderstanding. 'Isreal' means 'man who sees G-d'. As you know, it was the name given to Jacob, the father of the 12 tribes. It is the name of an entity, not the name for a geographical location or policitally recognized nation or group of wordly device. This is a declaration of man. 'Isreal' is the figs, but the Jewish nation is no longer the fig tree. No longer do they, as a group, match the description of 'man who sees G-d'. Jesus came and left, and after that all souls were eligible for salvation, not just the Jews. Any soul that is 'saved', 'sees G-d', and is a 'fig' of 'Isreal'.
As a group, the Jews already had their chance to recognize their Messiah. Now the chance is extended to all.

The continuous battle over the piece of land thought to be the promised land is a futile and inconsequential activity of violence that is solely the product of man's self-righteous/jealous delusions. There is a place in the bible, (and I can't remember where) where G-d plainly states that the strip of land in question will always be a source of wars and contention, because it will never again belong to man, G-d said that it was his land. He didn't qualify that in any way, and he didn't say he was going to allow anyone to peacefully dwell there, Jews, Isrealites, not anyone.

Generation = age!

The rule of the Gentiles being defined as ....?

All things negative belong to the world of matter, and are not caused by G-d. The cause is the same as those who are affected. That's about Karma, which is a mechanism of the world, not G-d.
Positive does not breed negative. Negative cannot produce positive.

That's a good way to put it. I like that.

The alarm clock is ringing for all of us!

 

Everything is caused by God (the Father). If you know the father you can recognize the truth.

Already did....already did.

 

You would not know what salvation is without Satan entering Judas-Jesus never would have died for your sins. Satan exerts God's will as well (sorta a footstool). "Negative" is necessary for the perfect plan to be carried out. Negative is only negative according to the wisdom of the world (secular ethics) but to true wisdom everything is good based on knowledge of God (gnosis).

 

RpTheHotrod: People have the ability to choose their own actions
RpTheHotrod: that's what makes us human
RpTheHotrod: not robots
RpTheHotrod: I was going to be going to Georgia for a week. I looked forward to it ALL year
RpTheHotrod: gonna meet with people I've known online for 7 years
RpTheHotrod: but
RpTheHotrod: 2 weeks before it was time
RpTheHotrod: I asked God first...if I should go
RpTheHotrod: and got an immediate "No" for an answer.
RpTheHotrod: So I hung up on the airport and didnt buy the plane ticket
RpTheHotrod: canceled everything right then and there
RpTheHotrod: did God force me?
RpTheHotrod: no
RpTheHotrod: but I chose to listen
RpTheHotrod: I found out that a week before the event
RpTheHotrod: oh
RpTheHotrod: God told me it wouldn't work out btw
RpTheHotrod: I found out that a week before the event
RpTheHotrod: it got re-scheduled to 2005
RpTheHotrod: if I would have not listened...I would have blown $350 on a plane ticket
RpTheHotrod: because it didnt...work out
RpTheHotrod: just like God said
RpTheHotrod: God didnt command me to not go
RpTheHotrod: I asked Him and He said it won't work out
RpTheHotrod: and I choose to listen
RpTheHotrod: I could have chosen to go anyway
RpTheHotrod: either way
RpTheHotrod: it was my choice
RpTheHotrod: and I made the right one..and saved myself $350

You always have a choice. True, God can use those who make a choice...but that choice is always theirs to make. The anti-christ will choose to try to do his dirty deeds, but God will use his choice and do whatever God's plans are for the end times.

 

But if you look at Judas's betrayal as necessary for the plan to work, then how can we be sure it was Satan who entered?

I agree totally. Only the soul-endowed have free will to exercise in the pursuit of eternity. All others are bound to their fates. But that is more of the principle of order, not good vs. evil. For the force we label 'good', etc., there must be a force of opposition. One cannot recognize 'good' and 'bad' if only aware of one side of that duality. We can only recognize by comparison. 'Order' is the rule of the universe, and even chaos is orderly, as it is performing as it has been assigned. Darkness/'evil' can only be recognized as such if one also knows 'good'/light, and vice versa. Balance is only acquired with both positive and negative factors.
What you said was backwards:
True wisdom, which comes through gnosis, understands the principle of balance as such, and it is secular ethics which employs the use of qualitative words such as 'good' and 'right'.

 

God knows what will happen, and plans His plans accordingly. He knew Judas would do that....so the plan was for the cross, and it worked out perfect.



God has the advantage of knowing what will happen, without a doubt.

 

I sincerely doubt that you were alive to see the Jews regain Israel. That generation ended officially in the 1970's.
The Jews killed Jesus because he didn't teach what they wanted to hear. I like how you had to insert Jesus in you statement of proof. What kind of proof is that?

 

did everyone else get the page about too much testosterone? or was that just me?

 

POPthree13,

"I sincerely doubt that you were alive to see the Jews regain Israel."

-The fact that I was not alive when the Jews returned is meaningless. This is a historical fact. So what you are trying to say is history does not occur unless you live it.

"That generation ended officially in the 1970's."

-Where on earth do you get a generation ending in 22 years?? Jesus said, Surely this generation will not pass away until all end time prophecies be fulfill. Therefore, there will be people still alive from 1948 when all endtime prophecies of the Bible will be fulfilled. Is there people still alive today that were born in 1948-yes.

"The Jews killed Jesus because he didn't teach what they wanted to hear."

-According to Matthew 26:63 & 64, the high priest asked Jesus if he was the son of the living God. Jesus replied, "You shall see the son of man on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." The high priest knew that Jesus was claiming to be God and stated, "He hath spoken blashemy; what further need have we of witnesses?" What they did not want to hear is that He was God and that is why they killed him.

"I like how you had to insert Jesus in you statement of proof. What kind of proof is that?"

-So lets see now you tell me you have been a missionary and you have greatly studied the Bible yet you have never heard of the term "the word." Because of your statement I real question how much of a student of the Bible you are. The term the word is universally accepted through Christianity as reference to Christ. The reason Christ is referred as the word is because of verses like this, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth" - John 1:14. I put Jesus in quotations so those who were not familar with scripture would know. Being the Bible scholar you are, I thought you would have comprehended that.

 

It has been so long since my first post that I think I am forgotten. But Hi everyone!

Campbell... You have some good proofs. I like how you are a man of the Word and you don't play around with the truth lightly. Unless a person fears God, they won't believe Him.

 

If there was one concept that I cannot stand it is the concept of "opinion" being taken as "personal truth". In the end, not one opinion will stand its ground. Not mine. Not anyone's. There is not one opinion that will not be tested by the TRUTH eventually and be prooven or disprooven.
Opinion has no firm foundation. Some people say "there is no such thing as a wrong opinion." But that is just a stupid saying. There are many wrong opinions. I sugest that people get over themselves and their opinions and find out what the truth is. God honors people who are really looking for the truth. But for the person who wants to continue believing in their opinion because they are more comfortable with it... well that is not honorable.
Chew on those thoughts... Even I have to. Adios.

 

okay.... um.... so what?

 

Campbell -

A generation is the avergae time it takes to have offspring. You are a different generation than your parents... dig? That generation has ended. If Jesus meant a lifetime I suggest he may have said so. WHy are people always trying to read stuff into scripture that just isn't their. If the God who wrote your bible is the one and only living God I would be scared shitless if I were you. I wouldn't take kindly to people misusing my words and twisting my meanings to fit their beleif systems.

Yes, I understand the technicality the priests forced Jesus into to finalize his capture. But I guess you are unaware that he was at odds with those folks long before this single event. Jesus preached a message of simplicity, love and selflessness. He told them not to pray in the streets, not to amass possessions, that the path to God is between you and God - not in the temple. This is why the Romans and priests feared him. He told us that we don't need church to find God and we don't need money to be successful.

I know many christians replace The Word with Jesus - but there is not one shread of evidence anywhere that this is what was intended. The word meant the scriptures pure and simple. Catholisism was the first to draw a connection between the Word and the Messiah.

 

popthree,

A generation is the avergae time it takes to have offspring. You are a different generation than your parents... dig? That generation has ended. If Jesus meant a lifetime I suggest he may have said so.

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."-Matt. 24:34

-Jesus ment that specific generation would not die.

www.dictionary.com definition of pass:

1. To cease to exist; die. Often used with on: The patient passed on during the night.

I want to say more but I have little time. I am going on a fishing trip in MN and would be back until August 14. Leave your rebuttle and I will read it when I get back.

 

OK Campbell.. you are always right. You and you alone understood was Jesus was saying and because your church told you it was so we must all stretch our understanding to conform to your (and your religions) way of interpretting. He did say "THIS" generation, so simply put why do you assume he meant a generation 2000 years from now... of yeah I remember... israel etc. etc. ALl of this is EXTREMELY loose interpretations supported by nothing except YOUR strong will. You are not the first to beleive that he meant OUR generation. As I have stated.. Christians throughout history have beleived he meant there generation for a number of reasons. Now you have yours and YOU must be right.


We can not assume what Jesus meant when he said that. But I would venture to say that when those around him heard it they thought he meant 'this generation'. Them. Not us. That generation DID pass. And a Generation passes every time a new generation is born.

www.dictionary.com

Generation:

All of the offspring that are at the same stage of descent from a common ancestor: Mother and daughters represent two generations.


The average interval of time between the birth of parents and the birth of their offspring.