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sin= ignorance

 

Sin is as a rut in the road; no more. Jesus has assured this. Some findings of piety have been made over the roughest of roads.

The selfishness of individual is indeed sinful, but stands as a pebble to a mountain next to the sin of ignorance.

Ignorance of today is naught excused by worship of the past. Let those who wallow in the false security of self-satisfaction know that a new day is upon us. The Lord has brought forth a Universe of change and wonder. Do not scoff at such a Magnificent Gift by pretending that tomorrow be yesterday.

The Oracle speaks to the one who professes to be the superior Christian:
Are you a child of dogma or God's will? In what does your faith lie?
To claim Knowledge of the only path of faith is a mighty claim. It has been said that all sins of man will be forgiven; but he who blasphemes against the Lord will not. Stand not as a wall against another man and his path to the God, for all who seek will find the Lord.

 

"God"

SIN: any violation of God's (of the Bible) laws.





TheProphetoftheWord
-I can't read your faunt, it is to small

 

How can sin be ignorance?

Ignorance is ‘the condition or quality of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, education, etc.’



Are You saying, God, that we are supposed to behave according to a guideline that is unbeknownst to us?



That’s rather harsh, isn’t it, from an merciful God such as Yourself?



Why, then did You send divine teachers to instruct humanity on the difference between sin and the Way?



Just by knowing what is sin, by definition, does that make us without sin?



Wouldn’t it be much more accurate to say that willful disregard for the Law defines Sin?



If so, given that the only Law is Love, wouldn’t selfishness be the only Sin?

 

very true.

 

"It has been said that all sins of man will be forgiven; but he who blasphemes against the Lord will not. Stand not as a wall against another man and his path to the God, for all who seek will find the Lord."
-TheProphetoftheWord

-The Bible does teach that all people will be forgiven of their sins if they give their life to Jesus. Sadly, the Bible also teaches that most people will reject Christ's sacrifice and because of this will be destined for hell.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

-Matthew 7:13-14

 

What's up with the fonts? The default 2pt Verdana is sufficient.

Who is TheProphetoftheWord? Did he really come up with that statement, or is he just paraphrasing from the Gospels of Mark and Luke?

Numbers 15:30
'But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or alien, blasphemes the LORD, and that person must be cut off from his people.'

Blaspheme means the same as 'to sin willfully', defiantly. (Another point demonstrating how sin is not ignorance--god's just testing me)

two questions:
What does that mean in relation to this discussion?
What does that mean to you? What gains entrance through the small gate to the narrow path?

It sure would be easier for the reader if you'd make a statement, first, so that you'd have a context for your quotes to support. I'm not sure what you're trying to say because I don't know what your understanding is of these statements.

 

queenannie,

I did make a statement, if you recall:

"The Bible does teach that all people will be forgiven of their sins if they give their life to Jesus. Sadly, the Bible also teaches that most people will reject Christ's sacrifice and because of this will be destined for hell."

As a Bible reference I quoted Matthew 7:13-14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."





"What does that mean in relation to this discussion?"

-The fact is that most people are willing going to hell. People tend to think that the majority of people are Christians but in all reality most people in the world and America are not true Christians and will not go to Heaven.

People have called Christiany narrow and it is, that is why the Bible describes it as a narrow road. However, as it is also described in the Bible "few find it."

"What does that mean to you? What gains entrance through the small gate to the narrow path?"

-By asking Jesus into your life and letting him take control. You then receive the covering of your sin by his blood sacrifice.


"Blaspheme means the same as 'to sin willfully', defiantly. (Another point demonstrating how sin is not ignorance--god's just testing me)"

-The Bible teaches he who knows to do right and doeth it not, to him it is sin. By disobeying God it is a form of ignorance.

 

I didn't realize, I guess the hyphen threw me off.

My apologies.

 

Okay, I'm with you.

But if all it required was letting him in, thus enabling him to take control, the gate would be a wide one to a broad path, right? We'd just say "Come into my life, Jesus," and then he'd make our decisions and determine our behavior, and we'd sin no more, ever. That means, potentially, that every 'christian' that goes to 'church' has a free upstairs pass.

What exactly does he take control of? We have free will, and He doesn't prevent the use of our free will, before or after we accept Him. So that can't be the answer to what gains us passage through the narrow gate. It is partially true, of course, we must ask Him in. Then what?

I thought He 'washed our sins away', not 'covered' them. The first is a cleansing, but the second is like putting perfume on when you really need a bath, instead.

How is that? Ignorance is nothing more that the state of not knowing. If we sin by not doing what we know is right, then if we don't do something because we are in ignorance of its rightness, we are not sinning!

'He who know to do right and doeth it not' is willfully, or defiantly, sinning, or blaspheming G-d.

Ignorance is not sin!
Sin is willful disregard for the Law.
The Law is Love.

 

queenannie,

"But if all it required was letting him in, thus enabling him to take control, the gate would be a wide one to a broad path, right?"

-It could be, but won't, because the world does not believe in Jesus and they love their sin more then they love God.

"We'd just say "Come into my life, Jesus," and then he'd make our decisions and determine our behavior, and we'd sin no more, ever. That means, potentially, that every 'christian' that goes to 'church' has a free upstairs pass. ...What exactly does he take control of? We have free will, and He doesn't prevent the use of our free will, before or after we accept Him. So that can't be the answer to what gains us passage through the narrow gate. It is partially true, of course, we must ask Him in. Then what?"


-Yes we ask him into our life but he does not determine our decisions, we do. This is because we still have our free will but we choose to live a life that would honor God and his laws. The fact that we try to live Godly lives is an indication of our love. Yet, our good deeds alone will never earn us a ticket to heaven. Only Jesus blood sacrifice gives us that ticket.

Taking control is a figure of speech, Jesus set a path before us we are only trying to walk it.


I thought He 'washed our sins away', not 'covered' them. The first is a cleansing, but the second is like putting perfume on when you really need a bath, instead.

-Yes washed away would be the better choice of words.

 

The fact that Jesus was raised to heaven by GOD after he was killed by petty men for proclaiming freedom from the law through complete Faith in God was the whole fucking point of the sacrifice!!!! Why was he called Faithful and True? You are just like a pharisee you hypocrite proclaiming that we should lead "GODLY" lives by following the law. The law ends in death. Faith in God, which is a part of true love for God is the only road to life.

I have smoked crack, shot heroin, laughed at Satanic music, and many other things that people have said not to do because I have faith that God will guide me through these things. When I am with junkies and crackheads I tell them I am all right because God has my back. God keeps me out of deep trouble to show people that a person who has faith in God and publically proclaims it can freely do things that others fear to do. I am a walking advertisement for faith in God- and as such my life can only get better. A lot of the junkies and crackheads see how happy I am and see my life and have the chance to question why they are as they are. People who worry about money (serve money instead) can see the example I set for absolute reliance upon God and see the good that happens to me.

 

What are you talking about. What I say comes from the Bible and what Jesus said. I'm not making this stuff up as a go along. What I just said I can back with Bible verses, You however I am not so sure.

 

Most can't help it, they don't know G-d, and haven't been properly introduced to Jesus. I'll blame that one on organized religion. I think many have gone to church wanting to know G-d, but for some reason become soured or discouraged due to the hypocritical behavior of those who claim christian.

But the small population still doesn't account for the small gate to the narrow path. It's not that people don't want to enter, they just don't know the specifics of the gate and path, right?

I know 'seek and ye shall find' is absolutely true, but it's not a gimme, either.

You're going in circles! I'm trying to pin you down to say just exactly what must be done to gain 'salvation', 'eternal life', what have you. But you keep referring to things with the vague phraseology of nondenominational sunday school. That's why I didn't learn much about actual salvation there, because no one would explain anything.

So, say I was a person who had never known about Jesus, 35 years old, now earnestly seeking G-d's Way, and you are the only person, with the proper intentions, available to explain it to me. What will you say to me so that I can clearly understand what I've got to do? Can you keep an interested person from become disillusioned by rhetoric and missing the wagon to Shangri-La?
Use your own words, remember I'm new to 'religion' and so everything must be explained simply for me to remember.

 

"Most can't help it, they don't know G-d, and haven't been properly introduced to Jesus. I'll blame that one on organized religion. I think many have gone to church wanting to know G-d, but for some reason become soured or discouraged due to the hypocritical behavior of those who claim christian."

-I agree with that



"You're going in circles! I'm trying to pin you down to say just exactly what must be done to gain 'salvation', 'eternal life', what have you. But you keep referring to things with the vague phraseology of nondenominational sunday school. That's why I didn't learn much about actual salvation there, because no one would explain anything.

So, say I was a person who had never known about Jesus, 35 years old, now earnestly seeking G-d's Way, and you are the only person, with the proper intentions, available to explain it to me. What will you say to me so that I can clearly understand what I've got to do? Can you keep an interested person from become disillusioned by rhetoric and missing the wagon to Shangri-La? Use your own words, remember I'm new to 'religion' and so everything must be explained simply for me to remember."

-Here it goes... i tried my best...

Before Christ came to the earth, man's sin was covered by a simple task of shedding animals blood to represent what was to come(Jesus).
Years later, God sent his only son Jesus to shed his blood on the cross. Christ's death gave people an even simpler task--accept Him into their hearts and eternal life would follow.
Today, God's free gift is still being offered to anyone that asks. Jesus called it being born again. However, this was not a physical rebirth but a spiritual birth. By asking Jesus (through prayer in your own words) to forgive you of your sins he will honor your request no matter how bad you have been and he will forgive you for every sin you have every committed. From this day forward if you are sincere you will try to live as God says. Though you may fall, God will always be there to forgive you of your sins. None of use will ever live a perfect life but thats the reason Jesus died for us. Trust in Jesus, and he will take care of you. When this life passes those who love the Lord will be with him forever.

 

more sacrificial theory garbage. explain the MEANING behind this concept. No one, not one christian, has ever been able to. I remember back when I was a christian, I had no idea of the meaning of that concept, and didn't even care.

 

"God"

"more sacrificial theory garbage. explain the MEANING behind this concept. No one, not one christian, has ever been able to. I remember back when I was a christian, I had no idea of the meaning of that concept, and didn't even care."

-Man by nature is sinful. That is why there is war, murders, kidnappings, adultery, ect. The God of the Old Testiment told the people to be covered for sin they should offer up animal sacrifices. This was the commom practice of the past. As time moved forward God sent his son Jesus to be the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. Anyone from that time on who accepted Jesus as their God would inherit eternal life. True Christians care, and they love to live their lives for Jesus.

If you were a Christian what age were you born again?

 

i wasn't ever 'born again', i was born into christianity, so by your definition, I've always been 'born again'. and if you keep refering to causes and effects due to 'sin', then I'm not even going to bother posting back, because the word has no true concept, at least an accepted definition, that makes any logical or metaphysical sense.

 

That was very lovely, the way you worded all that. That attitude would have a positive influence on the listener, maybe more so than the words.

Back to hypotheville: I'd say you've pretty much got me hooked on following Jesus, but I just have one question. I understand I have to be forgiven of my sins and all it takes it asking sincerely, and I can do that. But after that, I'm not sure what's expected of me. What is sin, exactly, and what does God say in regard to how I am supposed to live? I sure don't want to do this halfway.

Okay, you're on again. Go out there and break a leg, kid!

 

This is to God:

Even if you never cared, aren't you still just a smidgen curious? I think I can explain the concept behind the theory.

There is one thing that drastically differentiates human beings on Earth from the other entities (angels, archons, those of the underworld, etc.) and G-d(s). It is blood. It is something that makes us predominantly material beings in this existence, but also gives us a one-up on the angels, archons, etc. That advantage lies in the fact that the blood running through our veins, coupled with the part of the immortal Spirit that was endowed to each of us, creates a "soul". Something unique in all the realms. By having a soul, we have the ability to receive eternal life, yet retain our "individualism", or our free will. The rest of humanity that is of the immortal seed does not have the bonus of individual mind. Angels do not have free will.

Each of us was created in the hope that we would seek to become desirable as a companion to G-d, of our own free will. He wanted some company besides the single-minded Angels, companions that have personality of their own, that desire his company just as he desires theirs.

How do we show Him we want to hang out with him for eternity? Especially when we have a playground on Earth that everyone else cannot enjoy as we can, since they have no bodies such as ours to enjoy carnal existence here on Earth? What I mean is we can eat delicious food, we can feel the softness of a pet when we love on it, we can smell roses, we can feel the comfort of a loved one's touch or a baby's cheek, we can totally experience sexual activity; we can use our 5 senses to experience in a tangible way, everything in the material realm. We take it for granted, but the Angels envy us.

We take it for granted, yet we won't release our attachment to it. We don't enjoy it, for the most part, being caught up in it's own snares, yet we are scared to leave it by 'dying'. That is where the problem is. We were sent to this place to learn what we needed to know to make the decision to be G-d's buddies, but after we got here, we became enchanted with a sensual existence and lost sight of our goal. We lost sight of most everything except what we can get immediate physical gratification from. We sin by keeping ourselves entrenched in this world, and by fearing our inevitable departure from it. We consider our lives on Earth to be genuine life, when actually is only a temporary dream. We think immortality is a rare gift, when it is the true state of being. It is like this: G-d does not give us eternal life when we choose the Way, we already had it. But by allowing our material existence to take hold and dominate us, fooling us that it is 'real', we are choosing true death, finite existence. When we turn away from this life, death :X releases its grip on us and we regain our immortality.

Before Jesus, the only way to show G-d that we were relinquishing our hold on this world and turning away from materiality and true death, was by showing that the one thing that made us linked to this world, life (or life-blood), was not important to us. If we sacrifice the lifeblood of an animal, which has life, but no individual soul, then we are demonstrating that our priority is not earthly life, but eternal life (which doesn't require blood to exist, after the soul is created). We rectified our sin by denying it any kind of hold on our lives.

When Jesus gave his life, his blood ran into the earth from where he hung on the cross, thereby infusing all soil (from which our physical bodies are made from, in theory) with his blood. He did not have to taste death, but he did, and by choosing to do so, he paid our ransom to this world. The sacrifice of life blood which is connected with a soul far surpasses the life blood of an animal, and has a more permanent effect, necessary only once, whereas the animal sacrifice was continual and frequent (not to mention costly, I'm sure).

Still one condition remains for receiving credit on our accounts for His payment, and that is acknowledging what He did for us by living by his example. Just as we like to have friends who also value what we value the most, so does G-d. He is the essence of Truth and Love, and The Way is only traveled in a truth-mobile that has love in the gas tank.

Does that explain it? I know it was a novel-length explanation, so I've got to make it count.