War with Iran!!!

Not one but two US Air Force KC135 Stratotankers just flew over my head with a house shaking roar. You don't hear something like that unless you're under a 747 or B52.

According to flight tracker they came from Hawaii. I wonder where they're going and what their mission is.

And yes the Ayatollah has been confirmed dead with a photo of the body.

 

Which in no way justifies our unprovoked war of aggression on a sovereign nation in clear violation of the UN charter, Geneva Conventions, the Nuremberg Principles, and all applicable international law, without Constitutionally required (Article I, Section 8) Congressional authorization.

 

I think 'Just following orders' ain't going to cut it.

 

In contrast to the previous posters, here's a video from earlier on Saturday in London outside of the Iranian Embassy.



I think you'll find that many people in the UK and EU, as well as in the US and elsewhere, have welcomed the action that Trump and Netenyahu have taken, whether international law likes it or not. The actual people affected wanted it, and now Trump has delivered it. For the ordinary Iranians Trump is a hero, and when you watch the video you'll see Iranian and Israeli flags being carried side by side by the people involved in the demonstration in London.

 

I think that post is quite delusional however, if GB (not) news is to be the source, it's little wonder.

It's too soon to know what the Iranians feel. It's too soon to know what the rest of the Middle East thinks. OK, so the supreme leader may have been toppled but who'll step up next?! Will the whole middle east erupt into war?! If one country is allowed to take out a current nation's political leader, what's to stop any leader from being taken out?!

Why, for example, are the leaders of Russia, N Korea still around?

My thinking is that, fundamentally, this a distraction from a series of issues that Trump is being increasingly constrained. I doubt it bodes well for the top in future elections when they have sit back and let the US become what it has.

 

That was my first thought

 

Yeah, he was killed on Saturday morning I believe, but the majority of the attacks oh Qatar etc happened after that. A good indication that the death of the Ayatollah has, if nothing else, fired the Iranian hierarchy to step up action. This is not going to end any time soon.

 

I just saw this short video on Youtube and thought you all might be interested in why the Iranians are celebrating right now. It's only a short video, but it explains the changes the Mullahs brought with them when they invaded Iran after the Shah had been toppled back in 1979.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IrPSW-a6bYs

 

So which is it? Is he “literally hitler!” 2.0 or is he being blackmailed by those we are never allowed to criticize because they have video of him doing underage prostitutes (or worse)? Maybe both?

Nope, don’t try to accuse me of defending or supporting this war. I was one of those silly boys who swore to uphold and defend…. For some reason I still believe in that stuff despite the fact that, regardless of who’s in power, it seems more and more frequently observed in its breach.

Now why haven’t the Chinese or Russians taken any action other than a few well measured words? I bet it’s not the US that’s preventing them from doing so.

 

“Trump-Epstein files”. Cute. Nice little bit of programming there. Was that in your talking-points email this week?

So why were the files not released under the previous admin.? They could have spared themselves the massive expenditures on the investigations and prosecutions and just whipped out the files and said, “look! Orange-man-bad’s a freaking pedo!” (Or worse).

Granted, the investigations, prosecutions, and attendant media circus amounted to a huge make-work project for otherwise useless (and of course liberal) people but why not just whip out the files during the election, since their persecution had only made him even more popular and exposed just how politicized the legal system had become?

As to why the trump admin. is dragging their feet and redacting their releases; we all know why. Trump may well like 16-17 y/o’s for all I know. Not my cuppa tea at my current age but, anthropologically, not at all unusual. But that’s not who they’re protecting. If Epstein really was working for Russia (lol), then trump and Biden would have whipped that out faster than a teenage boy at a sorority.

 

U.S. intelligence officers assessed that a threat from Iran was not “imminent,” saying it was unlikely that Iran would pose a threat to the U.S. mainland for at least ten years. The International Atomic Energy Agency says there is no evidence Iran has an active plan for creating nuclear weapons, and the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency assessed that if Iran tries to build an intercontinental ballistic missile, it will take them at least a decade.
Michael Birnbaum, John Hudson, Karen DeYoung, Natalie Allison, and Souad Mekhennet; the Washington Post

Trump’s personal corruption is another interpretive framework for thinking about his decision to go to war. Trump’s sudden foray into regime change after years of attacking other presidents who tried it raises the question of whether he is acting for other countries in the Middle East he considers his allies.
“Given the stupefyingly overt corruption of the Trump administration, one must ask whether the United States armed forces are now being used on a per-hire basis.” Snyder noted that Gulf Arab states eager to curb Iran’s power “have generated extremely generous packages of compensation for companies associated with Trump personally and with members of his family.”
Scholar of authoritarianism Timothy Snyder

The Constitution gives to Congress, not to the president, the power to declare war. After fighting for their independence against a king they considered a tyrant, the men of the constitutional convention were not about to hand the power of raising an army to a single man. One delegate commented that he “never expected to hear in a republic a motion to empower the Executive alone to declare war.” Trump’s attack on Iran scorns the will of the people and their constitutional right to decide whether they want to pay for a war with their money and their lives. That disdain for democratic government reveals that Trump’s military adventure against Iran is also fundamentally an attack on the United States of America.
Heather Cox Richardson

 

Ok. I can agree with most if not all of what you have quoted here. But so what? Those folks have eloquently expressed their view of the situation and they may well be entirely correct. Again, so what? What effect will those words have? Will they have any more effect than if they had been written in beach sand at low tide?

I think we might be witnessing the removal of a veil of pretty lies that we may have been telling ourselves for the last 100-200 years. The truth of “might makes right” may be revealing itself to all and, very appropriately, smashing our idealist illusions in the process.

 

Double feelings about Iran........Love the protesters get help and regime change?.........but thats the problem...

In the long run............like Venezuala, if they dont follow tru on a regime change(groundwar), nothing will get better for the iran people imo.......starting all kinds of things and trying to bully the world(Trump) by bombing them, is not going to end well.And starting things in the Middle East(oil/Isreal) again, while it actually got a little bit more quiet.....

The effects of this and how it will effect worldeconomics/politics.........is going to bite Trump in the ass imo

Mzzls