War on Terror-why arn't we winning ?

Sounds like perhaps he's referring to the cycle of violence.

 

'In the song, Cockburn despairs of waiting for a political solution to the crisis, and expresses the desire to take matters into his own hands. '
'In a later interview, Cockburn stated that the song "is not a call to arms; this is a cry."'

http://cockburnproject.net/songs&music/iiharl.html

*shrugs shoulders*

 

How does it make you feel when you hear?

 

Boy you musta been hot on that, it wasn't up long.... I took it down not only because I realized whoever plopped those images on that vid had made their own interpretation, but also the Acoustic version is easier to understand the lyrics.

 

I guess if unknown helicopters flew over my house, and those helicopters flew over my community on a regular basis - If I had a rocket launcher...I'd want to make somebody pay. I'm not Christian, so I'm not quite sure what Christian message it is supposed to be telling me. I feel the anger and frustration. I just don't know what it's supposedly trying to tell me to do. Obviously, it isn't trying to be literal.

I was in the right place at the right time.

 

have you ever considered becoming a fiction writer ? you certainly have the potential for it.

 

he is here on hipforums.

 

thank you for the compliment.

 

a weaknesss of all british impearlistic thinkers is that they are foolish enough ta think that their constant lying and slanderous propagandist ways is that, when you give them enough rope they eventually hang themselves.

 

I am finding it hard to see the relevance in British colonial activities of over 200 years ago to today's Terrorist problems. So I will withdraw from that side of the debate.

My point on singling out the current Muslim community in Australia was a simple one. It was mentioned about other communities here, such as the Chinese and Polish for example. Those communities for the most part (there are isolated issues with some Asian criminal gangs) are a part of the Australian landscape. China town in Sydney is a wonderful place, I go there on a regular basis and never feel like I don't belong there. The same cannot be said if I visit Auburn or Lakemba.

The point mentioned on schools re: religious based. They are all private schools set up by the different religious communities, I went to a Catholic school. The difference here is that two groups were asking for the Government to set up a Muslim school at the taxpayers expense. The same goes when they demanded a seat set aside in State Parliament soley for a Muslim voice

 

:seeya: outt.we're havin' a 4th of july party in the happy hippie house if you'd like ta come.:grouphug:

 

Melanie_86

I wasn't referring to 'terrorist problems' I was referring to the issues of integration, and the fact another religion took time to integrate into a society.
It took time, for e.g, Catholics to be accepted into mainstream society. Longer than we have been alive, infact.
So, it might be the case we are both dead before Muslims are accepted into mainstream life, as much as others.
It might be quickened now that there are not as many racist/prejudiced policies in place.

So, what you seem to be saying now is that other cultures are 'part of the Australian landscape' - which is far removed from suggesting multi-culturalism doesn't work. Make up your mind.
It seems to be, like I said, there is an acceptable cultural difference and an unacceptable cultural difference.
How can YOU feel comfortable if you don't feel comfortable with a particular religion/people just as a matter of course.
I just looked up Lakemba, and it states that a third of the population is either Lebanese or Chinese.
How much does the Muslim population make up?

How many other groups are there? All you are doing is picking out e.g's that do not seem to reflect the majority opinion. Please do highlight if the majority of Muslims were asking for Islamic schools, and not just asking for the same things other faith schools ask for.

 

muslims pay taxes to and should also have the same democratic rights as anyone else ta have their voices heard in parliment.

 

I had this very conversation with a Turkish friend of mine yesterday. She explained it to me in this way. The mainstream of our population will always find it hard to accept people of Islamic faith here, while they cling to centuries old traditions. Things such as dress, language, behavior etc. She is a first generation Australian, she embraced our way of life as does her parents, they arrived here in the early eighties; her mother has never worn the hijab, they all speak English at home, if fact Rodha said her father insists on it. She does speak Turkish of course as does all the family, but to her being a part of her adopted country is more important than clinging to the culture her family left behind.

The main problem with the vast majority of people in the Muslim community today is that they believe holding to their homeland cultures (Yes even second gen kids) is more important to them than being Australian. If I get asked if I am Australian, I answer yes, I do not say I am German, or Scottish. If the same is asked of many of those, they will answer, Lebanese or Iraqi or similar.

That data is way out of date. People of Middle Eastern origins make up more than one half of the Bankstown/Lakembe area today.

The Australian Islamic Council which is supposed to represent all of them apparently. All private schools do get Federal Government funding, but no individual 'faith' school receives total tax payer funding or support.

 

They do, no one says they don't. But if you want a seat in Parliament, put up a candidate and have him voted in like everyone else. But in saying, that, other people from other backgrounds do not assume when and if they do stand for the Senate, that they are a voice for their community; they do so for everyone in their electorate. We do have many people of diverse backgrounds in government. A large part of the Australian Labor Party is from Irish descent.

 

Absolutely. But I am a little prejudiced with regards to individual faiths having 'there own voice' in parliament - especially if it determines policy. Muslims, along with everybody else, should have a voice regarding every issue - but should not dominate the discussion. 'A Muslim' only reflecting an Islamic stance has no place in parliament - if that makes sense.

 

Wow... I can't believe we actually agreed on something *facepalm*

Greened you for that

 

Anyone in Australia can be elected and anyone can form a political party withing whatever rules and regs there are for that. I don't know how many parties there are, but at the last elections the voting sheet was huge!

 

Is there a different position to hold apart from being left or right of each of the three main parties? UKIP don't have many policies.

Thanks.