War on Terror-why arn't we winning ?

You say: just as the Germans were not culpable
Now you say: that Germans were culpable (to some degree)

I think it was more the: Yes. No. Maybe. Perhaps. To a degree.

And not just about the Germans.

At some point, make up your mind.

 

Yes, there is profit being made in this war on terror so money must be a cause.

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Am I not allowed to speak about money and power in this war on terror also?

I'm sorry- I don't understand the question.

 

The response you made was: 'How can you be sure that 9/11 wasn't a reaction to US Middle-East policies (over the last 100 years) driven by petro-dollar$?' - what the hell has that got to do with profit being made in this war on terror? Stop twisting the question.

Yeah, but it wasn't really your original point, was it?

If OBL said: '9/11 was all about U.S foreign policy' - what does it matter if U.S foreign policy was the given reason for 9/11?

 

The reason OBL/Al-Quaeda orchestrated/planned etc etc etc 9/11 was so they could earn some money?

 

you said the I.R.A. killed people simply for not being the same as them.when it was the other way round,the brits coming here killing us because we were different than them.and unlike britain the irish have never tryed ta steal anyones country.but all the lies in the world will never make the truth less true.

 

how was our struggle ye're struggle to? i know of no war where brits were invading brits.what funds ?we would never accept funds from people who call us terrorists.and bobby sands and all would have no interest in being remembered by someone that addresses them as terrorists.no i was'nt a marxist-socialist.we had much bigger fish ta fry than that. an yes, i see Ireland and all its people.not just the working class.

 

You can try and portray the IRA as some mission for peace, and a sovereign of justice. But they were cold blooded killers, too. Lets not forget that. Lets not forget they killed people simply for who they were. It doesn't really matter if they felt they were justified, or their hands were forced. They killed people simply for not being...I don't really care if they didn't do x, y or z, they did do a, b and c. Stop trying to be an apologist for that. I know both sides were not saints. Why are you trying to say the opposite?

 

Ive no especial interest in Ulsters troubles other than in trying to understand terrorism-there are lessons there to learn. Yes maybe the attacks in the west are getting fewer (cos God knows we are paying enough for the security measures) but terror continues elsewhere in the world,as you know,on an horrific scale.

You rightly point out that Islamic Terrorists have developed a whole sophisticated belief system that makes us the Enemy regardless how we try to compromise. This seems to be a pattern in such 'movements'. In a post much earlier in this thread (I won't detail it -to save your aching head) I mentioned an Ulster paramilitary & tried to understand how a similar exclusively 'isolationistic' attitude is encouraged to develop within Terrorist cells. A psychology that legitamises (to them) what they do.

 

Not really. Bias?

I wasn't the one to limit it to three e.g's.

And?

 

Stating the obvious ,maybe, but you really are wasting you time replying . You & I are 'liars', I'm a bloody 'Orangeman' ! The response you get is hysterical name-calling ,not reasoned discussion. roamys ,sadly, in my 'ignore box',I ,respectfully,suggest you do the same!

 

I'm getting that impression, too. I just might take your advice.

 

I get the impression 'roamy' has all the answers for those who defend the British and are apposed to the her - but not those who see an equal evil.

 

the ones you omitted odon. Bloody Sunday january 1972.

12 killed 7 were teenagers. 15 injured. all were unarmed.5were shot in the back! one of the injured the most elderly man in the group was shot twice ,dying 4months later of his injuries.R.I.P. all the brittish soldiers lied at the tribunal. they can'nt even tell their own country the truth. as yet none of those murderers have yet been prosecuted for those murders.what brave british soldiers they were to be able ta shoot unarmed people in the back! but the numbers of murders by the brits go back a lot longer than bloody sunday.the total of their murders run inta millions.l

 

How so?




never mind, I really don't give a crap what you think.:mickey:

 

Likewise!

 

Don't bother roamy, there's no negotiating with terrorists.

 

spot on! outt no and even after negotiations they never keep their word anyway.they have proved that since the good friday agreement.they are just all lieing blood thirsty terrorists.but now days they are turning on each other fairly regularly and killing each other,their own.so its only a matter of time before they have each other all killed off anyway.today was our national famine rememberance day for all our people that died of starvation during their genocide of the irish race.when history is rewritten you'll be able ta read all about it yourself outt.when cromwell came he killed 1 quarter of the irish people in his first 6months here.the irish were pushed outa there homes by burning and killing.they took all our animals and shipped them off for sale,so that when the potato blight came through war millions died,cos the potato was my peoples only food left.it was brecfast dinner an supper.while babies died at their mothers milkless breasts through lack of nourishment the brits sat in their big houses they had built on the land they they stole from us,eating 8course meals.the brits saw the potato famine as a good thing,because they knew it ment millions of my people would starve ta death.and as well as the people who were murdered and died in the famine here and on the coffin ships they packed all people into with lies of help awaiting them at their destination.the strong survived.the ones to weak from hunger and disease died on the coffin ships.hence the name coffin ships.hitler used trains an gas chambers.the brits uses ships an slow death through starvation.i call them both genocide.when i went to america,i went ta ellis island where the survivers arrived at there.i could feel the spirit of my people there at the kissing post room.reminding me to never forget how they got there.

 

It's 'spot on' that outthere called NoxiousGas a terrorist?

 

outt did not call noxious gas a terrorist.quote one post where outt said your a terrorist noxious gas.you can't cos there is none.

 

What do you think he was implying?