War is necessary, no?

i know.

 

war is just a deliberate waste of resources to prevent them from going to anyone who might get ahead, as they would in nature with no one preventing them from doing so, created by hierarchies to prevent those whome the've conned into beleiving they need, from realizing how thoroughly they don't.

infrastructure we need for more numbers of us then could survive by hunting and gathering to exist, and hierarchies are one way we've found of making infrastructure possible, but when wars that destroy infrastruture are the price of having it, this is a less then break even propisition.

so we do have a big problem with the institutions that facilitate warfare existing.

my point though, is that this is entirely circumstantial and has nothing to do with our 'nature' as a species, nor that, even were one to suppose it, of all life forms.

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Yeah, but this is a pointless debate. I don't believe in "nature."

But I also don't believe in unending "harmony." Unless it's that paradoxical peace you find amidst war and adversity.

 

doubtful, the US doesn't really give a shit about other countries anyway (see the continent of Africa) and only gets involved out of its own selfish interests. As we've seen in the Middle East our involvement doesn't even help alleviate war, in fact it probably escalates it.

If the US steered clear of these foreign conflicts, chances are greater that the hierarchy you are describing would develop, instead of the artificially powerful (via US backing) countries we have now.

 

i guess war is necesarry to the extent that its human nature. when it comes down to it we are nothing but animals... with thumbs.

 

Mak: The biggest, most arrogant American presumption is that it needs to "save."
As a Brazilian citizen, I give you permission right this moment to let me die in case an invasion or civil war pops up in my country.

Let me die with my own agency and sovereignty. Do not "save" me from any oppressors. I will deal with it in my own terms, to the best of my ability.

Thanks.