OOh yeah Sera Michele don't act like i'm saying only have sex to reproduce and not take pleasure i'm saying we fuck like monkeys and it doesn't mean anything to anybody anymore. The orginal plan is reproduction, we have the extra organs for pleasure but when we go around sleeping with everybody for "pleasure" then we forget that sex is for reproduction and with it comes "unwanted babies" but anyways this whole thing has gone waaaaay side tracked and i've given up on the main point because obviously some are blinded by there ignorance! The main point of this forum has gone down the drain
this whole subject is bullshit. An abortion is not killing a human being unless the fetus is at a point where it is almost fully formed in which case the governments of the world have put a limit on. The limit is up for question but nothing else. Is an abortion any worse than using the morning after pill? Potentially the woman may be pregnant when she takes the morning after pill, is that killing a baby? If not is a woman who has an abortion after 1 month killing a baby. I don't think so. Abortion probably is used a little too casually by some people but most women don't do it without serious thought. How many times have someone in this room killed a spider or an ant or some other small insect type thing? I don't think you can compare war to abortion.
Why can we not compare the two (war and abortion)? The morning after pill is the same as an abortion, you are "discharging" a "fetus" Most women may give thought but most may not, how many people do you personally know/ How many have you personally interviewed? 3,500 women a day is a lot, every case is different, i'd suggest you get out a pen and pad and interview every woman's reason before you state that most give "serious thought" So what if your mother and father thought of you as an insect? You wouldn't be here saying that the beginning of human life is as small and as unimportant as a bug!
There is no fetus until the second trimester (it is in embryonic stages of development up to that point), so there is no "discharging of a fetus" in most abortions since around 90% are first trimester. Gotta love that pro-life rheortic though...usually don't know what the hell they are talking about, just playing at emotions. Since you brought it up, though, how many women have YOU personally interviewed to think that so many take such a decision lightly? You can't possibly claim to know all the reasons or thought behind a woman's decision to have an abortion. And if you wanted this topic to be about how one can be anti-war and pro choice, maybe YOU should have stuck to the topic too instead of rambling on right from the start about how abortion is wrong.
a woman who takes the morning after pill is not a life away from someone and I really don't consider women who have abortions to be either. How far do you go? Every time a man puts on a condom, Every time a woman takes a pill. If my mum had taken a pill then maybe I wouldn't be here but I would not be bothered by that because I'd have never existed.
The kind bear fundamentalists moment GOD is all poweful Therefore GOD can do anything If GOD wants someone to be born ain't no pill, Dr. with a hook or purple Rhinoceros gonna stop it. Fundies always wondering why GOD doesn't do miracles like he use to. They keep trying to do her job. Our job is just to be carring for people here and getting to know GOD.
just to let you know everybody else went off subject. Noone answered about war and abortion everyone talked about abortion. Your not getting my point 1.2 million babies a year is too much...if you don't believe in killing you shouldn't believe in war or abortion. I haven't interviewed anybody i was asking u because ur the one who said "most women think a lot before they get it done" but neither one of us know their reasons!! Abortion most of the time is an excuse, it always is and always will be
What do you mean you never existed, if you were "a group of cells as small as a bug" you still existed you weren't imaginary....hello...why is it all guys fighting with me about this? How would you feel if you got the love of your life pregnant and she turns around and says "well i'm not ready" but you are? But I guess it's too bad because she can kill your "creation" and you have no say, all you can do is think hey maybe it was a boy and I could of taught him to fish, or maybe he would of been the greatest joy of your life!!
Because women will have abortions if they are legal or not, making them legal means safe. It also saves the country money from raising all these soon-to-be criminals that would be born into bad homes, and finally abortion is nessacary in third world countries, since woman don't have access to birth-control and many die from trying to give themselvs abortions, those children have no future anyway, yada yada yada....be against abortion morally but support it legally, it does more good than bad, mayby...
Right all of them all 1.2million wil be criminals, well then i'm glad you have it all figured out. I'm sorry I will never agree with something just because the majority does, if i'm against it morally i'm against full-blown, no if's and's or but's. We don't know how much more good or bad it does because we really don't know the truth behind every situation
Actually, the pill, even the morning after pill does not cause abortions. A fertalized egg must implant in the walls of the uterus. If it does not, it is not considered a pregnancy. The morning after pill will prevent ovulation from occuring or cause the lining of the uterus to shed. Here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning-after_pill BTW, I posted that I wouldn't kill someone as a solider or choose to have an abortion. Why don't you read posts foundme? Then again, it seems like you are on a mission to promote your pro-life agenda. Why don't you stop shoving your ideals down other people's throats. I wouldn't choose to have an abortion, yet I don't preach to others. It's their choice. If they want an abortion, that's fine with me. I won't condemn them, just like I won't condemn Adam because he killed someone in Iraq as a solider. (That's me mentioning war & abortion in the same post). BTW, would you blame the mother for a spontanious abortion? Just want your thoughts on that one... Peace & Love
I completely agree with your line of thinking, foundme. The government should not have the right to wage war on other countries. It is morally wrong. The government should not have the right to regulate what a woman does with her body or anything in it. That is a violation of her rights. Period. Protesting abortion IS a war in the US and many other countries. How's about you fundy twits keep it in the Christian forum, or in this case, at least the Women's Issues forum, Mmmmkay?
Okay ya know what the whole point ORGINALLY was if you donnot believe in war because of the murder aspect then you should not believe in abortion because of the murder aspect. everybody in this forum went completely of subject and then i was stuck debating. You don't have to be a bitch about and say i'm "shoving my views down people's throats" because in all reality that's what everybody is doing to each other. We are all sharing our views, i'm not hating on anybody i'm just trying to get my point across and during the journey to the answer see other's opinions. And noooo i wouldn't blame the mother for a spontanious abortion, she didn't take a pill or go to a clinic and get a baby sucked out of her now did she?
MMMMkay well next time if you have such a problem with a christian topic maybe you shouldn't open the forum....I mean you had that choice....and the government wages war because he knows he's paying the military to fight when needed.
It doesn't appear that you're looking too hard at other's opinons, or the facts. Once again, I would not choose to have an abortion because that is taking the life of an unborn creature. I also would not fight in a war because I do not want to take the life of a creature that is born. I also do not kill insects or living creatures for the same reason. We have the same opinions (ie do not support abortion), however, I am respectiful of other's right to choose. You are not respecting that right and are condemning their actions. I could go through and copy and past quotes on why I feel that you are "shoving your opinions down other people's throats" as I put it early, but that would take a lot of space. I will do that if you want. It's kind of sad that you have to resort to name calling to get your point across. Just shows who we are dealing with... Peace and love
What I would like to know is why this is considered a christian topic? IT'S NOT! I'm a firm believer in Christ, but He has nothing to do with my being pro-life. I'm pro-life because I've found some research showing that fetuses in even some of the earliest stages feel and respond. Making them, to me, alive. But I also see that our country has a huge gap. The fundies (I HATE FUNDIES) want no abortion. But they also don't want sexual education. Now, that's just fucking retarded. You want to take away a woman's ability to say no to unwanted children but you also don't want to arm her and her sexual partners with the education and equipment they need to keep it from happening in the first place? Get real, get a brain! If this abortion issue is ever going to come to a head, then the fundies are going to have to realise that you can't smother sex. It's going to happen ALOT and the best way to prevent abortions is to EDUCATE the masses on their rights and responsibilities, as well as providing the ways and means to prevent pregnancy, ie: FREE BIRTHCONTROL METHODS AND PLAN B CONTRACEPTION. The morning-after pill does NOT cause abortion. If a pregnancy has already happened, then the pill does nothing. A fertilized egg does not implant into the uterine wall until about a week after conception. So therefore, plan B, if taken within the 72 hours after unprotected sex, doesn't cause abortion. EDUCATE YOURSELF before making a claim. Furthermore, if the government would execute a good standard sex ed and free birth control program, they could keep abortion legal because then, the only ones having abortions would be those that truly need them: those victims of incest and women that cannot carry a child safely to term. And about the war: I'm against the war. But I'm against the fact that we allowed it to happen by not educating ourselves on the issues and letting the officials get away with such attrocities. See a pattern? I just don't like ignorance of issues.
Not only does the govt. need to educate it's the parents as well. Instead of saying "sex is bad don't do it" we need to discuss why it is bad, diseases, babies, emotions. A lot of times parents don't go into detail with their children about it, we need to say hey when you have sex you are taking a risk, do you want a baby out of wed-lock, do you want an std for the rest of your life, do you know what your body is going through. Anyways if we talk more about it then maybe we wouldn't have such a problem. If we are more open it could change a lot. Children would open up more and say "I want to have sex can I have birth control or a condom" some kids are scared of their parent's reactions, it's a big issue in itself
Parents don't talk with their kids because of the social and political climate being created around parenting. parenting values are constantly being "evaluated" by governmental agencies. Perfectly good families are ripped apart for being open enough to discuss things and whatever. It al goes back to the government, sorry.
