Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming

Agreed. This thread has proved to be very useful for me

(and magic is useful)

 

this happens to me i cant stand it

no offense

but it feels like i am going to die

but atleast i know what i am doing now when that happens

it feels more like your making your blood flow go lower then it should be going and just paralyzes you

 

You should learn to stay calm with it and control it. However, if it happens too often against your control I can see how it could start to impact the quality of your life.

I didn't realize how many people this happened to, and how many of them despise it. Have you ever actually induced a lucid dream from the experience?

 

I've been having weird experiences lately. I know I'm dreaming the whole time, every time I sleep, but I never really control it.

I can either half control it, or sometimes fully control it, but I never really have the desire to. I just sort of let it play out.

 

you've already got a head start. you're really close to the astral realm...it's composed of nothing but thought, so you're emotions will manifest. a lot of people think they are being abducted by aliens lol. but if you learn to control your fears you can get out of your body.

 

no offense taken,
but to be honest
fear of this shows a weakness that must be overcome.

 

thanks... actually it was the first poem i ever wrote.

and i seem to have suddenly remembered a sleep paralysis experience ( i'm surprised i forgot) when i thought i could hear a faint radio signal, and then i could hear this rapid whisper in my left hear, which i perceived to be a women, but i could not comprehend the words.

and theres another time, though i not sure if it was truly sleep paralysis. It was like i woke up in my bed (at my grandmothers house) glanced at the lamp, and this digital clock was there (there actaully isn't), and as i got confused the clock
told me my heart rate, and suddenly i felt my heart rate spike and it correlated to the clock's reading. than with great force i got up ( felt like i had left my body ) and the whole room was shaking and almost melting. It felt like i was completely tripping balls more than i ever had on lsd. the issue is that the experience felt so lucid and real, but im not sure if it was a dream, or me hallucinating in sleep paralysis. usually i can tell when a sleep paralysis experience is about to start, but this one seemed to initiate so quickly, and felt so intense that i am really not sure.

 

So has anyone here had any success with using their eyes to look up as a trigger for the out of body experience?

 

If you really want to try this and better your chances of doing it successfully then I recommend reading this entire post. Hopefully we got us some of "them readers" himyoh.

I began to experiment with meditation on a whim about 8 years ago and I've since had these sorts of experiences a number of times. I actually had a relatively heavy experience the very first time I meditated -- apparently I was ready for it and in the right mind. Here's basically how it happened:

- layed in bed with arms crossed over chest and legs together (like Dracula in his coffin)

- cocooned myself in my blanket

- gradually slowed my breathing, taking progressively deeper breaths (in through the nose, out through the mouth -- but closing the back of the throat instead of the lips as it is gentler and thus less distracting and so on; keeping the mouth "almost closed" to make for better relaxation)

- kept eyes in (comfortable) fixed position (don't have to be perfect here, only decent, as you will eventually reach the tipping point anyway if you remain steadfast, patient and relaxed in your effort)

- remaining very still with legs together but relaxed throughout

- I believe one of the first signs you're moving in the right direction is if you begin to feel comfortable taking extremely slow & deep and breaths, and also if your pulse starts to become very slow and steady

- next (at some point down the line) you will feel the beginning of the loss of "sense of self" in your extremities (hands / forearms & and feet / lower-legs)

- this loss of sense of self will travel up your limbs and proceed to spread throughout your torso, and finally up through your neck and around your head (ultimately you will simply not feel anything you're in physical contact with unless you start moving about and intentionally break meditation)

- you will be able to move your eyes around (keeping eyelids closed at all times, off course) without backing out of this state of deep relaxation and "pleasant numbness" (why this is [the eye thing] I am not sure, but it's not something I've had any real desire to ponder at this point)

- here is where the description and experience begins to vary from person to person; put simply you will probably feel like you're slowly sinking into your bed, that you're becoming warmer (which is very possible given that this surely positively affects circulation), that you're very safe etc. and everything is "okay" and "as it should be"; perhaps also that you're slowly "bending around" or "softly sliding" slightly around your bed

- from there it seems anything goes; I have had both negative and positive "hallucinations", such as the rumbling sounds that have so often been associated with this (a crossing or breaking through of some sort, perhaps?), as well as the sound of an enraged man running toward me very quickly

- the "bending" sensation as I described it that occurs once you've gone over the tipping point is better described as a "massage point" that moves over the body; I've found that even with little experience it is easy to "think" this "massage point" or "wish it" into a certain path around your body; it is also possible this is something that I personally have had a tendency to manifest for whatever reason, and thus something not everyone would experience

- I have experienced states I would describe as "half-dreams" in which I was dreaming just as we normally would, but was continuously slipping in and out of consciousness yet never completely out of the meditative state in which I had lost my sense of self... it was the most peaceful experience I have ever gone through in my life in every sense of the word, without question

Anyway, I could go on forever about this, but instead I'll just finish for now with this: If you're interested in doing this and doing it successfully then you need to make sure that you're comfortable both mentally and physically, beforehand; how you go about that is all about you personally, but in general I would say it is most important to do this in bed, on your back and straight like an arrow (with covers if this is more comfortable for you, as it is for me), and sometime in the evening or at night. Also important is that people with average or bigger egos (the vast majority of the population) have a history of insensitivity both in general and in the area of deep thought / deep meditative experience, so if this is you, then you may want to work on breaking down your ego and all of that good stuff with some generous doses of humility, which, without crashing head first into another gigantic issue, can basically be attained through diligent self-reflection and introspection and things of that nature.

I might post later about the whole implications thing and how far can we go and all of that stuff. Hope this was helpful....

 

This is definitely supposed to be a side note, though, right? Because WILDs are different, in the sense that they're not subtle or very calm once you break through... but you can make them calm.

I don't believe that meditation lets you lets you ride flying tables through the amazon.

TO STALK: I don't believe I need to look up in order to trigger the experience. I found out that this may quickly add another dimension to the experience, but is unnecessary for me.

 

Good to hear.
It does come if you just let it, true.
In meditation of any kind, when you choose to look up, I can feel my energy body doing a sort of front-flip, and everything rises. The soul follows the eyes.

Also...meditation isn't about astral travel, it's about defragmentation of ones mind.

This is the WILD thread

 

Anyone can take whatever they want from it and quickly disregard the rest as heresy. I felt that it was at least loosely related to this and didn't want to make a new thread for various reasons.

 

yo stalk, is a lucid dream where you are aware you are dreaming, or is a lucid dream a dream that is extremely realistic?

 

Lucid dream is when you are awake inside of your dream...it's incredible.

 

Yeah I've had those....

but I wonder if there is a term for dreams that are so extremely clear that you are literally confused by it.

I just was napping since I didn't get any sleep last night, and I was having this dream where I was in my room, but there were weird geometric shapes hanging from the ceiling, with strange plants growing in them. There were also various things about my room that had changed, but without an adequate understand of my room, it will be meaningless to you.

But anyways, in the dream, I knew I was in my room, and before I walked in there I knew I was dreaming, but when I was in the room I really thought I wasn't sleeping anymore and that I had simply gone insane.

I knew it wasn't right and I couldn't possibly be seeing what I was seeing, but it was so real that I couldn't shake it.

I have these from time to time, they are kind of intense in all honesty.

 

Well, it sounds like a dream, if you ask me.

Mind boggling, I know.

 

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The thing about my dreams is that they carry a certain energy to them.

When I experience these energies, I'm usually blown away in the process.

So, in essence what seems very mundane to people is actually a great ordeal to me. I just haven't figured out how to handle these massive energy floods that happen when I have dreams.

 

You'll figure it out, I know exactly how you feel.
Just be open and keep exploring.