Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming

So you go astral first and then go to California? It sucks that I can't get this astral thing right. I haven't tried lately but sounds like I'm missing out.

 

Yes, we've already met at Panther Meadow

I just remember sometimes

 

Is it possible to pull someone into astral that has difficulty getting there on their own?

 

you aren't supposed to tell anyone that.


( :cheers2: )

 

Yes,
it's called Shakti-pat

 

where the hell did you go? been waiting man

can you explain shakti-pat more please

 

Shakti pat is like a key in the form of energy that unlocks the flow of kundalini, much like a dose of LSD, except shakti-pat is given by those who have awakened their kundalini.
They do this usually by touch.

You should see some of the way people react to it...
some people literally explode into samadhi, their ands forming complicated mudras,
some HOWL, glossolalia,
others, it's subtle, and it blossoms over time.

This is all just a hindu system. Their way of explaining what's going on. I love it.

p.s. what do you mean where did I go?
I was sitting on a cliff.

 

Then I know.

I did not know the word, but I have experienced this directly, thanks to a mysterious girl and her magical hand-touch. When a soul affects me own, I Am.

haha you left for a while. I needed a late night buddy :cheers2:

 

roger that.
I'm out man.
dreamtime with monotropa

shakti-pat is a bit different from love....just a bit....

 

K, I'ma try to find you.

Radar dewd.

Catch me if you can please, I may need help

 

If you are talking about the story you told me, that is not a direct manipulation stirring kundalini into full manifested awareness, but rather a partial raising into the higher chakras which balanced out your lower desires enabling her to lay the foundation for new thought process.
The actual Kundalini awakening is something so insane that most teachers barely describe the experience, and the ones who do tend to downplay its importance to us in the West, probably because most of us could not handle that kind of realization.
It sounds to me that this girl may have given you some kind of alteration, like a deeksha, but even when that causes the explosion, that is not the permanent state of sat chit ananda. It's just a rewiring of thought structure that allows more realization to come to you, outside of your control, and makes a person starve for God when they previously may have been oblivious. But that is also a very slow process, however profound the intial impact may be. I guess its because some people are just naturally closer to God when the receive the change, I know for me, it took nearly 2 years for direct awareness to start trickling out of me.
It's the same with LSD, you will never have a full blown Kundalini experience unless you were ready for her to begin with. LSD does frenzy the spine and can show you the light, but the next step I imagine would be horrifying for someone who was not predisposed by karma, thus, it doesnt happen.

And stalk, let me say beforehand that I will never agree that sexual energy has anything to do with Kundalini lol. Prana is focused and channeled, but that kind of experience has nothing to do with Kundalini being a Her :tongue: Just not my school of thought, though I imagine sexual friction can cause a partial rise.

 

First of all, let me just request that you please excuse any retardedness because I have been up all night and am still mildly drunk.

That is a good interpretation John, but the way I view that experience is the same way you view love, if you have to talk about it, you just don't know. I'm positive that there are much crazier stages or levels of consciousness that are relatively way more insane, but that isn't what I'm shooting for anyways. Maybe it was this or maybe it wasn't that, but regardless of the superficiality of my descriptions, there is an underlaying, infinite current that was perceived, and that, to me at least, is where the meaning lied. I'm not familiar with a lot of the hindu terminology you guys use, but all I can go on is what I felt, and it was enough to persuade me to the side of it's genuineness and permanent nature. The overlay of energy is there, like with everything, but just as God permeates everything in existence, so does this permanent state of sat chit ananda permeate me, it's just a matter of whether I decide to realize it or not.

Even to this day when I feel anxious, I feel the tingling of her touch, and the tale of clarity is eternally retold in my mind, instantly sweeping away all nervous thought.

Besides, I've yet to pinpoint your views on, well, anything really, so I'm just trying to understand. You seem to shift a lot. :tongue: I guess that suits well though, considering what we are talking about.

 

this thread is so cool.
i have yet to try the WILD technique, which i have never heard of until now.
i am very interested in this because lucid dreaming is so awesome and i miss having them, they just kind of stopped for me years ago.

sometimes when i dream, though, ill have brief, 5-10 minute, segments where i lucid dream but then i get lost in what ive created and im unable to control it again... this happended to me last night.
i too have dreamt of the future as you have stalk, its crazy isnt it? then when it happens in real life you can either do the same thing you did in your dream or change it thus changing the outcome. so is it possible to change the future from dreams? would this mean that the future hasnt all happened at once, because this would be a paradox...

i think deja vu is just when you dream of the future but you forget your dream, but when it happens it seems so familar.

 

Pretty much what I mean Josh, is that the Kundalini experience, from what I gather from both several personal discussions with a man who has had one as well as from the literature and teachings Ive come across about it, involves an awakening into the awareness of the devi, the feminie part of creation which surely was present in your state of bliss, but doesnt appear to be exact state you were in.
There is much confusion because people have taken the Kundalini and the sadhanas or meditave perscriptions used to approach her and added their own New Age spin on it, making it seem like any spine tingling, psychedelic super-sexual charged state is an awakening, when in reality it just is not so, you can not unleash powers that yogis and masters who have spent entire lifetimes perfecting from dropping a dose, or even from recieving a deeksha. This is only a glimpse, and although you may feel ananda flowing for the rest of your life, your not in entirely transfixed in her shakti for all of eternity, juding from what you have just said and from what I know about you.
Kundalini awakening is not a temporary burst of revelation and then a life time of dedication to cultivating that awareness, Kundalini awakening is the be all end all of spiritual journeys. It is the state of eternity, the permanent state of sat chit ananda, from which there is no longer any concept of having this state or not having it.
Since all of our experiences baseline in different ways and leave us to continue seeking God and finding truth, we have not had the awakening that not only is said to be extremley rare, but also to give you powers that you might not even believe in. We may have tickled our spines and had her gaze lifted a bit into our minds, but even when you look her straight in the eyes (this is not metaphorical by the way) you havent awakened. You have to see through her eyes before you are finished, to gain that eternal melting of half and half.
Even of all the few people who I've read about and the one person I spoke with who have had the full awakening, people who have spent decades trying to stimulate a response, were so afraid of her when she came that they had no idea what was going on and if they should even continue, for fear of insanity. The guy I spoke with said he was in a suspened state during his first contact and could relive all of his psychedelic experiences on a whim, in total vibrant detail, stuff he couldnt remember for over 20 years, and he said the awakening puts psychedelics and astral states in meditation to shame.

 

This so called "Sexual Energy" is the rise of Kundalini that just gets launched out of the second circuit.

Samadhi is the harmonic flow and awareness from every pinpoint on the spectrum (Chakras)

'Tis why they let it stir.

 

Also, everyone I have met along the path confirms that everyone's journey is unique.

We are not sadhus.

All is reflection.

 

Agreed Stalk, the creationix devi does have us percieving a fraction scattering of individual self's, of that there is no doubt and the paths are many.
The second circuit is responsible for much strangeness in our species, but what I was more referring to is those of the tantric path who claim that sexual union can bring on the total awakening, something that I just can not accept. Like I said, a peek, but not eternal liberation. While the paths may be many, there are a limited amount which can be defined as bringing eternity. All stepping stones happen for a reason, but I am dumbfounded by those who teach that these stepping stones are the REAL deal.

 

Yeh, new age tantric interpretation is all whack for sure.

Tantra is really about living your life in the divine moment.
I believe the word translates to something along the lines of "consciousness is universal."

 

It's a fuzzy line for many of us

 

chiti shakti at play