Viparspectra vs TOAD?

Discussion in 'LED Growing' started by FritzDaKatx2, Mar 3, 2021.

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Viparspectra or TOAD

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  1. Spend more on lights,less on seeds

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  1. FritzDaKatx2

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  2. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

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    Lot of Bang for the Buck with these TOADS!

    I haven't used them but from what I hear they are worth spending less on lots, and more on seeds.

    Have you checked out the offerings from Barney's? They have a banner on the site, and I knew these folks when I lived in Amsterdam for ten years...

    I speak with Jorge Cervantes the grow book author regularly, I will ask about them next time we chat. We worked together for 12 years producing 14 books on growing cannabis indoors.
     
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    Well thats a bit reassuring given some of the negatives I've read recently about Blurple lighting (In favor of the newer full spectrum chips) but if their setup gets solid results idk if the light was green tbh

    I had been eyeballing the LSD strain at Barney's but seeing their seed at Seed city for $20 less a 10 pack I'm wondering just how much older seed city stock is from the OG as I've heard a bit of Hydrogen peroxide can do wonders for germinating old stock and I love saving nickles these days. (Also have to say, imho that seed selector they have at SC should become an industry standard. :hearteyecat:)

    Eventually the light will just be to care for a few mothers but for starters 4+ indoor plants. Probably 2-3 months from starting, still in the "hunting for free mirrors on craigslist in lieu of mylar reflectors" stage :blush:
     
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    OG = Overgrow?

    That is amazing, haven't heard of them in years :)

    But seriously I have used that same type of LED panel for vegging. Worked great, but I would finish my plants out in the sun in the fall.

    Doesn't really matter which strain, I only recommend Barney's because they actually support this site with ads. Without the ads, we'd have to go bye-bye.

    Yes, the seed selector is a good thing at Seed City.

    I'm just happy to see growers talking about growing!
     
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    Original grower, Barneys. "Same" seeds but I've read some posts on reddit that suggest Seed City moves old stock or something hence the lower prices. Not really sure what their deal is.
     
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    I can ask around.
     
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    Peeps say Seed City is OK...

    I did read this just now and thought of your seed germination:

    Norman C Deno

    During his time as a chemist, Deno made a major discovery on the operation of oil refineries and how to increase their efficiency, which earned him a large amount of money to focus on other research.[9]

    Later in his life, Deno moved from his direct chemistry work and decided to instead focus on horticulture and the chemical processes involved in the seed germination process. He determined that around 95% of plants relied upon chemical methods to delay germination and understanding how these work allowed for reversing them. A focus of his research was on the plant hormone gibberellic acid and how it increased germination rates, usually after being produced by microorganisms in a symbiotic relationship with their host plant. He disliked the methods of scarification, especially since he preferred the term "puncturing", and worked on his own physical methods of inducing germination.[10]

    Deno argued that the term "drainage" in regards to watering of plants is fundamentally wrong, as it does not matter the amount of flowing level of water over the roots, but the amount of contained oxygen in them and the capability of the plant at that growth stage to uptake the oxygen into the plant body. Therefore, he suggested all usage of the term drainage should be replaced with aeration for accuracy. Additionally, from his understanding of chemical responses boosting germination, he suggested that the idea of seed dormancy is inaccurate, as there is no form of hibernation going on. The seeds are still active and so he prefers the term "conditioning" in that the seeds are waiting for chemical signals to show that the outside conditions are right so their activity can proceed beyond the seed coat.[9] These ideas and methodologies developed by Deno were also discussed and reproduced by Ken Druze for his book Making More Plants: The Science, Art and Joy of Propagation.[11]

    A large amount of his research proved useful for gardeners and those wanting to successfully germinate specific species of plants outside of a lab setting. His contributions to the North American Rock Garden Society helped promote this and his low-tech methodology for accomplishing germination was referred to as "The Deno Method". This involved replicating the lab setting of blotting paper for sowing seeds and the use of germination chambers by instead using heavy-duty paper towels and plastic sandwich bags to imitate the enclosed chamber environment.[12] Additionally, Deno stressed that sterilized soil had to be used in order to prevent encroachment of pathogenic fungi and his method recommended using boiling water strained through the soil several times in order to ensure no pathogens survived.[13] Multiple seed companies contacted him over the years to see if he could attempt to find germination techniques for specific plant species they wanted to sell. Thompson & Morgan also incorporated his methods into their purchaser instructions for customers.[6]

    Books[edit]
    Copies of Deno's works are hosted in the United States National Agricultural Library archive.[14] Original physical copies were previously sold by Deno for $20 through the mail.[15]

    • Seed Germination Theory and Practice (1991), Second Edition (1993)[16]
    • First supplement: Seed Germination Theory and Practice (1996)[17]
    • Second supplement: Seed Germination Theory and Practice (1998)[18]
    ~Wikipedia
     
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    Sounds like Peroxide would accomplish all this nicely (aeration included)

    I've also had the itch to dabble with electroculture, germination of old stock being one area that seemed to benefit from some methods.

    ElectroCulture -- stimulation of plant growth by electricity, magnetism, sound

    Not going to be too worried over the bad times of 3 or 4 redditors but I'm still picking strains at this point and Barneys LSD is a definite on the to-do list but also have an eye on this 8 mile stuff from Mandala. Kind of interesting how it may lean sativa or indica, save me the trouble of picking a second strain and would be fun to further isolate the sativa and indica variants

    8 Miles High - Mandala Seeds

    Hey wait, we're not talking about lights anymore,,, :smilecat:

    I'll be back when things get sprouting (In the appropriate section ofc. lol)
     
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    We should have a growing thread... I will do that!
     

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