Venezuela In Total Chaos

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Carlfloydfan, Jan 15, 2017.

  1. Carlfloydfan

    Carlfloydfan Travel lover

    Having lived in Colombia for nearly three years now, I am hearing a lot about Venezuela.

    As the years have passed since I have been living in Colombia, I have been meeting more and more Venezuelans who are escaping that disaster. It slowly started around when Chavez took power. In fact, I know some foreigners who left in the late 90s and early 2000s because they could see a country on the decline. But the people I talk to from Venezuela have some pretty horrific things to say about the current situation. It is a shame because it really looks like a beautiful country. But people from Caracas, etc. who I have met say they just had to get out because there is barely any food on store shelves and even getting basic things (flour, cosmetics like soap, toilet paper) can take literally all day and require going to many locations.

    I do hope things get better. It used to be an amazing place but they have been in a slow decline for 15-20 years which has become more rapid as of late and reached a very bad low
     
  2. Ged

    Ged One moment ago... HipForums Supporter

    They have run-away inflation don't they?
     
  3. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice Senior Member

    Elect a socialist that essentially bases government revenue on one commodity (oil, in this case), institutes currency and price controls, and is unfriendly towards business. Then sit back and watch your country fall all to hell.
     
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  4. morrow

    morrow Free as a bird

  5. Ged

    Ged One moment ago... HipForums Supporter

    I think Chavez has been hiking the cost of the heavily state subsidized oil.
     
  6. Ged

    Ged One moment ago... HipForums Supporter

    Oh.Well he's gone.I have little interest in South America anyway.Not really my kind of place.Interesting article though.It puts my own sufferings into some kind of perspective.
     
  7. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Member

    Many places in this world have become humanitarian disasters proving the world has got to get its shit together better, but any awareness requires our faith in our own awareness making the human spirit indomitable because virtue is its own reward. Economics are about to change fundamentally with computers already taking over the job for us and every industry focusing on AI and self-assembling technology. The next generation scientific revolution will be more organic as well as mechanical and should make all of our institutions, political and otherwise, more humane.
     
  8. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    as if a "crapitolist" who bases everything on exports and tourism,
    and doesn't invest in nor develop an educated populas, who can build and maintain their own infrastructure,
    instead of relying on forign investment, doesn't have the same result???

    it isn't the ideology as such. its a matter of how much is based on consideration,
    and how much on ostentatious "gain" at the expense of others.

    an economy can flourish or be screwed up under any ideology,
    if ideology is even anything other then a choice of terminology and the making of excuses,
    its about how ALL people, in AND out of governments and other positions of authority,
    act toward and treat each other, AND the environment, upon which all life, ultimately depends.
     
  9. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice Senior Member

    Hmmm....I'm not sure if what you're referring to here is capitalist (or 'crapitolist, as you say) economy or not; not enough info.

    Name a planned economy socialist paradise. And why do people go to extraordinary lengths to reach such places as Germany or The United States, arguably capitalist countries? No people have ever flocked to, say, North Korea, Cuba or Zimbabwe. The USSR, when it existed, had the largest planned economy in the world; people to defected anyway.

    I"m the first to admit that no economic system is going to be perfect; they involve imperfect people. But socialism? We can do much better than that.
     
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  10. Carlfloydfan

    Carlfloydfan Travel lover

    Yes, how two people, Chavez and than especially Maduro, can turn what was once such a beautiful, rich country about 30 years ago, the leader in S, America literally and turned it into such a disaster, and a country that is so poor is really mind blowing. And again, very sad.
     
  11. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    name ANY ideological "paradise". period.

    yes, we can do much better then anything we've ever yet invented.
    as soon as we stop using labels as excuses to refuse to look beyond the assumed superiority of the familiar.
     
  12. Carlfloydfan

    Carlfloydfan Travel lover

    We are not even close to any paradise. I do not think we will ever reach it. I have always felt that man is, by nature, very selfish to the extreme. How else can you explain that 8 of the richest people are more wealthy than the bottom half of the earth? And I bet it is even worse than that, but that is what an article recently stated.

    Any way, once a person reaches a certain high point of power and wealth, which is nearly impossible because it is always the same families, selfishness and sociopathic behaviors are a must. Those who want to ascend to that level, again must possess those two traits I mentioned.
     
  13. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    "man's nature" is the usual bullshit excuse, and other then gullibility, bullshit it is.
    that is, on the negative side. on the positive side, creative imagination is the only thing that makes us anything any other species on our planet isn't.

    a bit off the subject you introduced though.
    cf's own words, venezu had been a paradise before hugo,
    so my question would have to be when and for whom?

    the oil 'give'away damd sure didn't start with him.
    whether he is/was good bad or indifferent,
    your premis does nothing to support your conclusion.
     
  14. The mainstream TV news in the US is always trying to sell us socialism so they never report anything on Venezuela.


    www.google.com/search?q=Venezuela I clicked on news, terrible, I hope they can get that all that fixed.
     
  15. Do you remember when CNN first came out and reported on worldwide news in depth ?

    [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJC-vohDHl8[/media]


    Your post reminded me of when I found that Algezera news on YouTube and watched it for a wile and remembered when CNN reported like that on different stuff in all corners of the world and asked what happened ? CNN was like that once now its just harp on one subject all day.

    I don't cuss in these forums much but CNN is a bunch of major assholes, not cause Trump told me to think that but cause they simply are, not likely but I hope they go bankrupt and go away.
     
  16. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member

    [SIZE=14pt]Venezuela has a bread shortage. The government has decided bakers are the Problem[/SIZE]

    March 17, 2017 Facing a bread shortage that is spawning massive lines and souring the national mood, the Venezuelan government is responding this week by detaining bakers and seizing establishments.

    In a press release, the National Superintendent for the Defense of Socioeconomic Rights said it had charged four people and temporarily seized two bakeries as the socialist administration accused bakers of being part of a broad “economic war” aimed at destabilizing the country.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article138964428.html

    Hotwater
     
  17. I am looking at that website but my WIFI is real slow and !!!! I think they call that 'buffer rage'

    Cool website, but I think humanity is going to take longer then any of us are going to live to "Grow up" and stop the dumbshit, at least 100 years.
     
  18. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Im not sure. You can't judge socialism as a whole by only looking at the bad examples. People don't come to America or Germany because these countries are paradises: they strive to go there because it is so shitty where they come from. And no that's not solely due to socialism either :p
     
  19. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    unless the result of our dumbshitedness forces us to.
    that result is what i'm calling eco-pocalypse, and that, in some ways, has already begun.

    (how deep, how soon, i don't claim to know, but anyone assuming it can't or won't happen, is totally whistling in the dark,
    and there's no religion, nor ideology that will magically make it go away. only there are choices we CAN make,
    that can improve the odds or make them worse. familiar beliefs and ideologies do not motivate better choices.
    nor does hating the logic of looking beyond them.)

    it is clear this thread was created to harp on 'socialism', on the basis of a premis that has no substance.
     
  20. NotGayCharlie

    NotGayCharlie Banned

    This is an ongoing thing that always happens when a country turns to extreme socialism: It turns into an authoritarian hell hole with shortages and oppression around every corner.

    The hardcore leftists and communists praised the Soviet Union and their revolution, the North Koreans, the Cubans, the Vietkong, and the Venezuelans. They praise these leftist governments as power for the people. Then once each one of these governments suffers their inevitable fate, they always turn around and say "that wasn't REAL communism" that was practiced there.
     

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