Veggie hypocrites

Domesticated:

Insulin Resistance is mostly caused by over eating the wrong kinds of carbs and the result- obesity. Fruits and vegetables in their natural state are generally not going to cause it. But eating high glycemic index foods such as chips, pasta, white bread, and junk food will cause large rises in blood glucose.
Rice, potatoes, legumes, and almost all vegetables are low glycemic index, meaning they cause only small rises in blood glucose.
You are right that fat has little effect on blood glucose, but it has a tremendous impact on the liver, heart, and colon, to name a few.

You may have found the quick fix for balancing your blood sugar, but are you facing the long term serious consequences of a high fat, high protein diet?

Studies of general populations consuming diets high in fat, particularly saturated fat have shown increased risk of cancer,4-6 diabetes,7 and heart disease.7 Mixed diets high in animal protein have been shown to increase the risk of kidney problems,8,9 osteoporosis,10,11 and some types of cancer.12,13 typically high in saturated fat and animal protein, might pose the same risks. In addition, because fiber is found only in plant foods, and high-protein, high-fat, carbohydrate-restricted diets tend to be low in plant foods, these diets are also typically low in fiber. In studies of general populations, low fiber intake is associated with increased risk of colon cancer and other malignancies,4 heart disease,7 diabetes,14,15 and constipation.1
http://www.pcrm.org/news/registry_report.html

 

Vitamin B12 is naturally found in animal foods including fish, meat, poultry, eggs, milk, and milk products. Fortified breakfast cereals are a particularly valuable source of vitamin B12 for vegetarians.

 

Zinc- good food sources include beans, nuts, certain seafood, whole grains, fortified breakfast cereals, and dairy products.

 

Vegitarians are people who eat no meat no fish and nothing that you have to kill the animal to get. CASE F***ING CLOSED!!!!! speaking as the definate artical I think I can be trusted to know what I'm talking about. On eating meat I'm not against it i'm against the ignorance surrounding it. Those people (of which there are a supprisingly low number) who eat meat in full knowlege of what they're doing by eating it I have now problem with, I one the other hand feel it is at the very least unessary to eat meat when there is a vierble alterantive and your survival does not depend on it.

It is threw conquering our base/primeal instincts that we shall evolve into an enlightened speacies.

(sorry about the spelling)

 

Why so irate? ...must be the high levels of mercury in that tuna, hm?

It's quite strange to me also, all nutrient advantages aside, that many vegetarians DO still eat fish or consume dairy products.

You can spew animal rights all you want, but I've kept animals including fish and have seen their diseases, their suffering and their dying - like any meaty land animal. I'm also particularly fond of plants raising them from seed or tubers but I accept that I must consume enough to live and accept (moderate) amounts of what the earth offers including meat.

If you want to argue about enlightenment and you're a vegetarian, pardon the bluntness, but why is a little difficult to get through your post? And if enlightenment originates (for you personally I'm assuming) from Buddha, and Buddha would never endorse impatience like you have demonstrated, how can you honestly vouch that your vegetarianism is helping you in the least at all?

I agree with some reasons, mostly nutritional, that vegetarian diets are healthier than non-ones. And MUCH cheaper if we're speaking budget-wise. However fat can be avoided by choosing extra lean meats, and remembering to keep everything in moderation.

When it comes down to morals, enlightenment, and some superior attitude, I do truly believe the brave ones are not the ones who entirely cut out or avoid something, but accept and have the strength to realize that this IS the cycle of life. We take what we need from the earth to experience vastly and we keep learning. Never taking forgranted lives cut short for our consumption.

 

So I guess that if a man has a natural urge to reproduce without a womens consent he should accept that it is his human nature and go about raping?

Yes men who go against their nature and seek consenting mutually loving sexual experiences are cowardly

What's cowardly is people who wont face change so that they can rest easy with lifestyle choices that are self indulgently tinged with cruelty.

If Buddha had accepted himself and refused to evolve to a more compassionateconsciousness, he would have died an unenlightened, materialistic, prince.

 

Oh please. Save the bleeding heart for someone else.

I found THIS http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2587301#post2587301 thread had a much broader, moderate view with a lot less fingerpointing.

 

I think Echo the Small has some good points, honestly.

 

Breakfast cereals are a very expensive way of buying nutrients. Do you really want to eat something that is so highly processed?

 

In a motel restaurant where I had the job of planning the menu I would always have at least one vegetarian dish on the menu.

 

For how long?

Who does that? As Craig Fittzroy points out in this excellent essay, whatever is healthy in a vegetarian diet is available to an omni anyway.http://www.vanguardonline.f9.co.uk/00509.htm

 

I would just like to point out one thing.

The whole point of food is for energy. We get said energy from the sun, and plants convert it to carbs, proteins, etc that we all know and love. That energy goes to whoever consumes the plant.

Say the sun puts out 100% energy. The plant takes 75% of that energy and puts out 50%. The cow that you plan to eat consumes that plant and converts it into 20% energy. So you are only receiving 20% of the original energy. Yikes. However, as a vegetarian you eat that plant, therefore receive 50% of the energy. We just cut out the proverbial middle man.

It also is the same principle for protein, and other nutrients. The cow has to get it somewhere, they don't eat meat (unless it's an English cow, which I might add has caused problems). They have to get all their nutrients from the plants they eat. Again, veg*n's cut out that "middle man" by eating directly from the source.

Sure omnivores can get all that they need from their diet, but is it healthier?

 

Just refuting your point that it can only come from meat.

 

I don't feel like wading through 8 pages, but you get nutrients through dark leafy greens, nuts, soy, and fruits. And it's cheaper than breakfast cereals.

 

No, B12 is not available in any plant source.

 

Actually, it is. You only need a small quantity a day.

Collard Greens, Swiss Chard, and other dark leafy greens.

 

The sources I am looking at which state otherwise are vegansociety.com and vegsoc.org .

 

But do you feel good?

And isn't that all that matters?