Veggie hypocrites

That is a totally human-centric point of view about what consitutes higher forms of elvolution. Possibly being more elvolved may not have anything to do with intelligence, they (plants) have simplly been here a lot longer then humans or any land animals. Some trees can live for thousands of years, I would like to see a human do that. Plants can internally produce chemical compunds that humans can only dream of synthezing in a laboratory. Go to a Native American church meeting and then tell me that peyote is a lower form of life.

 

As I said in another post, in another section of the forums...

What you eat is none of my business. What I put in my body is my personal choice. Veggies shouldn't judge Meaties, and Meaties shouldn't judge Veggies... Its a PERSONAL choice.

Everyone just needs to get over their own egos and we would be a lot happier as a society.

 

just because ants do it, doesn't mean we should.

 

I agree

 

Age does not equal high form of evolution. Amoebas and invertabrates have been around for millions of years, and yet you don't see them building nuclear weapons. Simple fact is, modern man, though realitvly young in the animal kingdom, is considerably more evolved than a damned plant.

 

annapurna -

It's not replacing one kind of killing with another - it's getting rid of one kind of killing. Everyone has to eat plant products to survive. Meat eaters do not survive on animal products alone. They also eat plants. Vegetarians are simply reducing the "kinds of killing". Tell me what I am replacing by being a vegetarian.

 

the only thing that really gets tome is when people call themselves a vegetarian and then they go and eat fish or white meats. It's ridiculous...

 

funny, this is the environment forum and skimming over the posts i didn't see anyone who brought up the environmental arguments.


I am not a "holier than thou" vegan in my day to day life but allow me to indulge myself now. If I see someone driving down the highway with their king-cab pickup, towing jet skis and throwing trash out the window I get pissed off and
my natural reaction is pretty much a "holier than thou" reaction.

Now, concider that a vegitarian diet is the single biggest lifestyle change a person can make to reduce thier impact on the environment. Then, the way I see it I can be holier than thou more towards meat eaters than towards the pickup driver. Seem crazy? Well, not really.

I don't actually feel that way, people can do whatever the fuck they want and I know I can't do shit about it so I don't get all high holy on their asses but I hope you may now be able to see where some of the high holy vegitarians are comming from.

 

whatever... I say live and let live.... I don't have anything against peoples food choices, but i do think some people spend all their energy worrying about their food and let everything else slide by.

Best example; the vegan junkies i met in Olympia... now there is an oxy-moron for you.

 

Honestly, have you read through these forums? There are TONS of other threads saying the exact same propoganda. As humans we are able to make our own choices...that's what sets us apart from animals (one of the FEW ways). Therefore, if someone feels as if not eating animals is the right thing for them, who are YOU to say that we're wrong?

Please. Give me a break.

And since YOU say I should get on with my life...maybe I should Not eating meat.

Talk about holier than thou...Sheesh.

 

I seriously doubt most of the people on here would even consider insulting another's religious choices, certainly not to their face. If you choose to follow a different religion than I do, hey, that's fine with me (assuming yours doesn't involve anything like killing all non-believers). However, the very fact that I follow the religion I do implies that I believe it to be correct. Obviously, since most religions do not allow overlap, what I do is considered wrong by several billion people. Despite this, every religious discussion I've ever had has remained perfectly civil.

What I can't understand is why vegetarianism isn't treated the same way. Sure, I think eating meat is wrong, so I don't do it. On the other hand, maybe I'm wrong about that, and all the meat-eaters are right. I don't know for certain, so I'm not going to attack your beliefs. However, while the people who've asked me about my religious beliefs have been few and friendly, almost everyone who finds out about my vegetarianism feels free to interrogate me, many belligerently, under the assumption that I'm judging them.

I think that the people who've said they're sick of this argument would tend to agree with me: everyone should just do what they believe is right and leave others to their own beliefs.

 

Ok I just have to add my part to this.
I do not have a 'holier than thou' attitude and have never employed one being a vegetarian. Infact it seems to me you are the one with the 'holier than thou' attitude. As a vegetarian and the only one I know, I am constantly having to defend my choice to be a vegetarian to meat eaters even though I never preach to them.

Personally I am a vegetarian because I don't like the way animals are treated in factorys etc. before death. I also dislike that they are a pumped full of hormones and that some are force fed to get fatter etc. To me this is far from natural. I can also survive without meat in this day and age.

However I don't care what you or anyone else eats, this is MY choice as eating meat is yours. What does it matter to you if I choose not to eat meat? I don't care if you eat meat, you can do want you want.

As for the vegetable bit. To me vegetables do not have feelings as animals and humans do and do not suffer, that is my opinion. I also need them to survive, so I will eat them.

Also vegetarians don't eat fish, just to clear that up.

 

that is not entirely true, i know several people that claim to be vegetarians, but eat fish

 

Just because you "claim" to be vegetarian does not make you vegetarian. A vegetarian is someone who consumes NO MEAT whatsoever, a VEGAN is someone who uses NO animal products whatsoever, including butter, animal milk, cheese, leather, food dyes, processed sugar/flour, etc.

 

First of all, thats a judement. And everyone knowsss judgements are not the way.. Though you say you want to hear what they think. I don't know any vegetarians that are arrogant, and I don't think I am. I AM a health freak and I'm sure that gets on people's nerves but people can eat what they want.

And I don't know who told you it was wrong to eat meat.. I don't think its wrong for other people to do it, I just personally don't want to do it for my own reasons. I say whatever floats your boat, on anything really. So if people want to eat meat and it makes them feel good, thats totally completely okay with me.

And yes we have basic instincts but we are also evolved humans...
And for your plant talk that everyone likes to use, plants don't have a heartbeat and feelings. I know that sounds really corny and I'm not trying to make you feel bad, but its a fact. Plants are primary producers, which means they are the primary source of food, they are there for other organisms and mammals to eat and to help us live.

I understand that humans are animals and animals eat other animals. And like I said, thats totally fine with me because thats what we are. But we are a very diverse species and some of us just don't like to eat meat. We are much more developed and evolved from other animals. Seeee what I'm sayin?

 

heh.......I was under the impression (picked it up somewhere) that processed flour had bone char in it as well.........learn somethin new everyday. Thanks mama.

 

You know, when I read this idiotic thread, I thought that your comment, FrozenMoonbeam, was prolly one of the most sensible and intelligent and actually gave a completley non-hypocritical viewpoint for going veg.... What tipped me off into thinking this though?..... The fact that everyone ignores a post, usually means it was brilliant .....or completey moronic....But I think you've got it right fer sure

 

NO, since it had nothing to do with the subject of being vegetarian... I was just stating the obvious and taking the piss out of him. I would apologise if I spoke so disgustingly to someone like that in real life (I never would in the first place though), I was giving him the opportunity too (albeit tongue in cheekish). But nevermind eh? What goes around comes around.