Vegetarianism

Yep. Hey, maybe humans should stop intervening and breeding them so there won't be so many.

 

The idea that flatulence from cows is contributing to global warming is one of the most ridiculous, laughable things I have heard over the years, but the establishment can say anything and there will be people who believe it.

 

There was a story in the newspaper a few years ago here, about a truck taking some cows to the slaughterhouse. One cow, jumped off, somehow and escaped....and saved his own life, as no one could slaughter him after that. yay, for that cow.

I only had a few bites tonight.......why the hell I even think about eating steak anymore is beyond me. Do not like the taste of it. Like the A1 sauce....but can put that on bread, too.

 

An excellent suggestion.

I used to be a vegetarian but now I eat some meat, as long as I know where it comes from and how it is raised, so I pretty much only buy local meat and just eat less of it because of the extra expense.

 

And the purpose of this grand scheme by the UN to mislead the public :toetap05:


Hotwater

 

i could

of course the hormone itself wouldn't be tasty.

 

I mean, yeah, it ties in with the whole global warming ruse being manmade. They basically want to control people. They want instate a global carbon tax, regulate human behavior; telling us where we can and cannot travel, what we can and cannot eat, how many kids we can have, etc. All in the name of the "environment," of course, so people will go along with it believing it's in their best interests. I do see a time in the future when farming cattle is illegal and instead everyone is forced to eat nothing but GMO vegetables and processed soy frankenfoods, or else starve. I know it sounds crazy, but I can see it becoming a reality 20 years down the road if this madness continues (and it will).

The establishment is doing everything it can to demonize meat consumption, and it's not because there is science behind it, but a well-funded agenda.

 

Lol. Thought so. Go on.

 

Interesting theory but I have a little more faith and trust in humanity than to believe sources within the UN would so blatantly lie.

Hotwater

 

http://www.verifiedfacts.org/ (Pressed the Ratfresh Button...)

 

Discussions on vegetarianism always fall into a similar category to religion or politics.

You know an interesting thought: many Buddhists refrain from eating meat, but so long as they did not kill the animal or (as far as they know) the animal was not killed for them, it is accepted to eat the animal. I believe in much of Buddhism but this one has always been weird to me. Presently, I would only eat meat if I'd grown it myself or knew the person who had to ensure it had had a good life and humane death.

So many omnivores I know are the opposite. They couldn't eat an animal if they'd known it during its life. I think if you can't deal with the thought of your meat as an animal that used to be living and breathing and WAS killed for your consumption, you should review your plate.

 

Moderation is key. That and quality choices. I don't see how you add to animal cruelty or environmental rape by default if you make conscious choices. When you realize animals get eaten either way in nature, I think we are just obligated to care for our animals in the food industry. This also means common sense. Milking robots and feeding robots in fancy indoor stables may give the cow a free choice in when she gets milked and when she eats but any nitwit secretly knows a cow is better off outside in a green pasture.

I do see some non meat food industries (soy is a wellknown example) often raping environments, just like intensive animal farming of course. So it does not seem so black and white as everything vegetarian is good and everything related to meat consumption is bad. It's kind of absurd to state it is that black and white, often related to some kind of personal, political or other agenda indeed.

 

Well stated, Asmo.

Personally, I love meat and vegetables, and could never see limiting myself to just one.

I can totally respect people who are vegetarian from an ideological perspective, but those who claim meat is unhealthy are just wrong, though I avoid factory farmed meat like the plague. It seems most of the bad rap meat gets stems from factory farmed meat, and I agree it's terrible what those animals go through.

 

I became a veggie because a pigeon flew into a wall and it's chest exploded with the impact, but he was still alive when I went out to see him.. the reality hit when I realised I'd have to kill him because there was NO way he would have survived, the best thing to do would have been to end the suffering.. and it broke my heart that I'd have to end the life of this little flappy rat creature(whose plumage consists of exquisitely subtle iridescent hues of grey/pink/blue/purple), even though I'd be putting it out of its misery..

I couldn't justify slaughtering an animal unless it was a survival situation, therefore I don't eat meat. Plus I feel way better anyway, so much lighter with far more energy.. although if there was meat going to waste I'd probably eat it, rather than have it thrown away.

 

I'd like to hear vegetarian/vegan opinions on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNON5iNf07o"]The Vegetarian Myth - YouTube

 

Watched most of the video and it seemed to address the problems of the Standard American Diet rather than a vegetarian diet, specifically (white flour, white sugar, non-organ meats).

I don't think that pasture raised meat is unhealthy. The woman in the video even admits that factory farmed meat is worse for the environment than raising small amounts of vegetables on a local scale. Anyone can see that factory farmed fruits and vegetables are bad for the human body. GMO corn and soy beans are harmful and not fit for eating.

A lot of the issues surrounding hormone-ridden meats and environmental destruction come from the factory farming model. Yes, this problem can be solved by buying organic, grass fed beef. The problem is, most people simply don't buy organic beef. Only 3% of beef sold is humanely raised. 3%! And until that number changes, I think it is better to be a mindful vegetarian.

Pressed_Rat, you're always saying that the government agenda is to promote a vegetarian society, but I can't see how that could be true. As a vegetarian, I'm often scoffed at and people are always making uninformed comments about my diet. I think the agenda is to keep people dumb enough to continue eating factory farmed meat. I doubt that the beef industry, which is a giant cash cow (pun intended), would allow the government to push a veg. diet. They would lose a lot of money, and they are too powerful to allow that to happen.

I also see an issue with the hunter-gatherer argument. Most of those people ate plants and meat. And if they couldn't find plants they only ate meat, and vice versa. I think it was the lack of processed foods and refined sugars that helped them have strong bones and teeth. On the other hand, after some research, I've found out that most of them didn't live past age 40. Most people under 40 are free of major diseases and bone weakness.

The video also seemed to be targeting vegans--and I cannot speak for them. Veganism does seem risky, but I've know lifelong vegans who have prospered well into old age. I think it depends on the person. I don't see anything morally wrong with eating humanely raised eggs and milk.

At the end of the day, I'm not a vegetarian for the health benefits (although those are nice, too!). I'm a moral vegetarian. For the well being of animals, not for my own profit.

 

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Are these people who can do this sort of thing from hell....devil incarnates? WTF? WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE CAN DO THAT??????????I feel like vomiting now...I am so sad and sick....and i thought I could not feel worse from reading the other post MCS made today.

 

Me too. Outrageous

 

I went vegetarian for a couple months. Before this, I had a serving of meat with every single meal I had for my whole life. I was able to make the transition by going vegetarian every other day. It allowed me to make the transition with ease, and not just suddenly give up on meat. After doing this for a while, I was able to eat meat once a week. Next I officially went vegetarian. I did pretty well for a while until I started eating meat again. But I find that I eat less meat now than before. One problem I had was that too many vegetarian and vegan substitutes are soy based, which means they contain lots of phytoestrogens.

 

so people that eat meat ONLY eat meat (and only a couple kinds of meat) and refuse to even consider other options? may be true of some people, but it doesn't mean meat eaters have fewer options than veggie people. i know meat eaters who seem to do nothing but look up various meal options, many of them vegetarian.

even if no meat eaters explored vegetarian options, they would still by definition have more options in what they can eat than people who absolutely refuse to eat certain things. especially in our current society, where most convenience foods are based around meat eating.