Vegetarianism in The Bible.

Discussion in 'Vegetarian' started by AT98BooBoo, Mar 31, 2006.

  1. Ostard

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    The god has told to not kill. And animals too have a soul. All is equal to me that speapossible to eat meat. All is equal this murder.
     
  2. drumminmama

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    soy isolate: TVP and the mocks, not the Eastern products.
     
  3. drumminmama

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    Ok, HS mama and some of the others know my faith: I have studied most, practised Hinduism, Paganism and have returned to Judiaism.
    I have a feeling man makes the CONCEPT of g-d in her own image,
    but here's my take: with the exception of G-ds dispensations for weak sinners and the time after the Noahide Flood (reference the Flood of Manu , too) when critters needed to breed to repopulate, meat (flesh) was reserved for the Kohenim and the Levites working in the temple because they had no inheritance in Israel.
    (oodly, this was Saturday's Torah portion)
    Aside from theology, because sandpeddler is correct, we have that forum (Check out the ethics veg*an thread), I see this as animals were the currency for a herding, pastoral people. grains and oil, the wealth of the farmers.
    All faiths have had animal and human sacrifice. If they directly didn't, their parent system did. (Buddhism, Zoraster's followers, the Xtians)
    this is becasue as minds started to wrap around the concept of a controlling force, by the whims of which people lived and died, feeding the "Daddy diety" or Mother Earth seemed like a cracking good ides.
    We are evolving beyond this. We must.
     
  4. AT98BooBoo

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    Worthington and Loma Linda where started, owned and operated by Adventists before they were sold off to General Mills. The majority of their original product lines(ie Vegi-Links,Vegi-Burger,Fri-Chik,Wham,Big Links,Tuno, etc,etc) were developed by Adventist scientists and nutrionists.

    How do I know? My folks went to college with some of these folks that worked for Loma Linda and Worthington.
     
  5. drumminmama

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    while I joke about this, it is not true. if you buy ANY packaged foods, and that includes flour, baking soda and the like for the from scratchers, it MUST have the appropriate vad seal.
    Even dish soap has the seal.
     
  6. Yoseff

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    Right on!
     
  7. TheRealPamela

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    It is revolting that people use the Bible to justify keeping animals in their excrement their whole lives and then killing them for a freaking snack. I am so sick of the hypocrisy of "Christians" and other "religious" folk who try to do this (especially all the while having "Pro-life" license plates, but that is for another thread).

    WAKE UP. First of all, why are we assuming that everyone is Christian and should ive by "Christian" principles? You don't have to be religious to be a good person. In fact, it seems like the more you can quote Jesus, the less you have to get his real message and act like him. What a bonus!
    The Bible was written by men in a time when factory farming didn't exist. Whether or not it says or doesn't say we can eat meat is not really relevant because both sides can take different scriptures to suit their viewpoint. If you haven't noticed, the Bible is very contradictory.
    The Bible has been used to justify everything from rape to child abuse to slavery to wife beating. Anyone with half of a brain or ethical judgement can agree that these things are wrong.
    If you believe in God, then I would have to assume that you beleive that he/she gave you a brain and a heart. USE THEM.
    This argument for meat is so tired and is used only by those who don't want to take responsibility for their actions. That is the great thing with mainstream Christianity anyway- no personal responsibility. If something terrible happens, then you are being "tested" .If something great happens, then it is "god's will" and he loves you so much.
    Use the brain that evolved/you were given and your heart to make decisions.
    If you look up other verses in the Bible, men could rape women and would have to pay her dad 20 pieces of silver, you can have your children stoned for being disobedient, women are filthy and unfit to touch you if they are on their periods, you can apparently get your father drunk and sleep with him, and Lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt. And also there is a talking donkey.
    A little sexist, a little speciesist, and a little far fetched.
     
  8. drumminmama

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    uhhhh... why assume all references to Bible mean the Xtian testament?
    I study Bible, but only through the writings and the prophets. the rest is heresy.
     
  9. TheRealPamela

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    The Bible being used as Christians' go to book. I think they forget that the Torah is also a Holy Book (and shares the same few books) and that w/o Judaism thee would be no Christianity. I didn't mean to offend. I was talking about the use of the Bible in a Christian conext (because they reference it often and it is their only book and they are the people I hear using it to justify meat eating).
     
  10. Elle

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    just the other day i was flipping channels and i came across an old episode of "the simple life". well nicole richie was in the car with these people (southerners) and the lady handed her a bible to look at with a deer skin cover. nicole said "a dead deer on a bible? isn't that a little ironic?" and the lady replied with "not if you have read the bible it's not"

    i was sick.
     
  11. TheRealPamela

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    She should have replaced "ironic" with "hypocritical". That is the only quote I have heard that she said that had some merit to it...but she wears fur so she can't talk.
     
  12. YellowBellyHippy

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    LOL omg! Thats kind of funny in a strange way. Man, Nicole Richie drives me bonkers although I do like what she said there! lol
     
  13. Elle

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    i know, i was kind of shocked.......almost like "she actually had a valid thought in that head of hers! she said somthing other than "that's hot".[​IMG]
     
  14. Ostard

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    But in the bible to be spoken about that as people made a sacrifice :(
     
  15. TheRealPamela

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    ostard, I am not sure which post you are refrring to (fur post?), but there is no excuse for fur in out day and age. It is one of the most barbaric and cruel industries and what makes it worse is that it is strictly for vanity.
     
  16. Ostard

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    I agree
     
  17. TheRealPamela

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    I suggest everyone (veg or not) read Dominion by matthew Scully. It is an amazing book. He blows every sham of an excuse out of the water. So eloquent and well documented. Surprisingly, he is a Republican Christian! I can't say enough good about this book. Please go and get it. I am sure you can get a used copy on amazon or ebay.
     
  18. Ostard

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    I shall try to read through it
     
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    Hi everyone! I am new to this site and I finally made it over to this area.


    I am not a good "arguer" (I don't want to argue anyway, but love a healthy discussion), but I just wanted to say something.

    I am not saying eating meat is right or wrong right now (another subject), but what I tell people is if they feel they have to eat meat, please buy free roaming and not factory farmed meat.

    No matter if you believe the Bible says you can or cannot eat meat, you cannot tell me that G*d wanted the animals treated so badly all their life. That is where I stand on that.

    Like I said, I am not arguing about whether the Bible is correct or if we should or should not eat meat, BUT definitely do NOT torture the poor animals!

    I hope I made sense!!?

    Jess.
     
  20. drumminmama

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    jess, it's a veg forum. we don't buy meat. But yes, you are correct that if one DOES have an omni diet it is better to support more ethical raisers.
     

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