Vegetarian?

Yes. Our survival and the survival of other species and the survival
of the Earth.

Just need good drainage (raised beds) and maybe some shelter. People in
South East Alaska grow wonderful gardens.

There ARE, however, places that just aren't good for people to live.

There are a lot of people who eat animal products who get anemic and
sick and very unhealthy. In fact, there is a much higher percentage of
the latter who are unhealthy than there are of herbies.

Again, you are describing conditions that many animal product consumers
experience. More of them than herbys.

And you don't seem to understand that herbies need protein as well as
vegetables and fruit.

Which means that you should have been growing or importing grains and/or
legumes. And growing oilseeds or importing vegetable oils.

I don't know any herbies who only eat vegetables and fruits.

The large herbivorous animals all eat grains. Grains are grass seeds.

Doctors study textbooks created by psuedo-scientists who are owned by
the trillion-dollar animal product industry. Many of the universities in this
country (USA) are almost completely funded and controlled by agribussiness.
They are, legally, "Agricultural Land-Grant Universities".

Over 70% of the farmers in America grow food for animals.

Here's the kind of psuedo-science they practice:

Well, this person has been eating large amounts of animal products
with every meal for 35 years.

Lets remove all of them from his diet right now and make him eat
only raw vegetables and fruits.

See? Look how sick he is!

Which is like taking a heroin addict and making them go cold turkey
and saying: Look! The human body obviously needs heroin.

They "discover" what their corporate masters want them to discover.
And, of course, they and everyone they know are animal proeuct
addicts too....

The bottom line is this: If you believe that you can't be healthy without
animal products, then you won't be healthy without animal products.

And you will do foolish things like eating a no-protein and no-fat diet in order to
fulfill your beliefs.

You could be then be fed fake meat made from soy (which has a lot
of protein) and as long as you believed that it was really meat, you
would get healthy again. I've seen this myself. It is quite amusing and educational.

You are trying to radically simplify your former plight into a Meat/No-Meat
issue.

Which is the kind of reasoning I have learned to expect from animal
product addicts. From addicts of all kinds.

Littlefoot

The main difference between a heroin addict and an animal product
addict is that the junkie knows he or she is an addict.

 

WOW what happened here? I have to agree with lunarflowermaiden.

Look at the background to this thread, Love, Peace... I'm not feelin' it!

No one is superior for what they eat. That's not a fair statement. Is a deer superior to a lion because it isn't cruel for food? Okay, maybe that's not a good example lol.

Calling my mum (and various other people...) ignorant wasn't nice, Littlefoot. She's actually not ignorant at all, even though she eats meat. It's not such a good thing to judge people you don't even know, based upon one little fact.

Sometimes you have to ask yourself, is that really necessary?

People have their own ways, and have their own oppinions, but it's not great to put people down if they don't follow your ways. Sure, it's great to express them and talk about them openly, but we don't have to force them down people's throats and order them out of the thread simply because they don't agree with us.
Note: By 'we' and 'us' I am not referring to myself.

I haven't been on here very long, and I don't mean to offend anyone

 

..."Well, this person has been eating large amounts of animal products
with every meal for 35 years.

Lets remove all of them from his diet right now and make him eat
only raw vegetables and fruits.

See? Look how sick he is!

Which is like taking a heroin addict and making them go cold turkey
and saying: Look! The human body obviously needs heroin.""""

This is absolutely a fact. Here is a good example. I have raised horses for many years and most horse people feed their horses sweet feed. It's full of molasses (sugar) and grains they would not ordinarily consume in the wild. If you get hold of such a horse and put them on a healthy and natural diet (grass and forage), they will look like you are starving them to death and it will take them a YEAR to begin to recover. Seeing how humans and animals are more similar than some want to admit, it stands to reason the same would happen to a human who suddenly changes their diet to one that is much more restricted.

And Soze, I can forgive your childish outburst, you'll grow up eventually.

 

mmm veggies.





i hate to see people fight on this forum....

 

wow, littlefoot, such arrogance for such a superior being.

 

You have to agree with someone who just showed up out of the blue and hasn't
done anything but make trouble?

Not very wise.

The animal product addicts are not peaceful and loving.

They do dreadful things to the planet and to its peoples to
support their addictions. They KILL people and wipe out entire
cultures to support their addictions.

The British recently killed a lot Argentinans for daring to want
their Falkland Islands back. To protect a half a million sheep
meant to maintain the fat asses of the British meat pigs.

America cleared the Native Americans off the Great Plains
so that they could raise cattle and cattle food there.

The list goes on and on and on.

And the idea that herbies have to be a bunch of passive,
spineless wimps is just ludicrous. It's a crappy stereotype
promoted by animal product addicts.

Not too long ago, some redneck asshole tried to force me to eat a
hamburger.

He spent several days in the hospital as a result.

(Please note that he was not killed or maimed.)

If you are going to support this troll and her/his sockpuppets, then I'll
just say good-bye now.

You may very well be one of his/her sockpuppets. It sure looks
like it.

Littlefoot

 

I've made various contributions to this thread many pages back if you would take the time to read.

I guess everyone should just stop having their own opinions because you don't take too kindly to anyone thinking differently than you do.

 

Seriously, what trouble has she caused? When has she ever insulted anyone? All she's done is made generalised comments, true comments as well.

It's funny to me that some vegans are talking about how wrong it is to eat meat and meat products, but these so-called "animal product addicts" aren't really calling themselves superior and aren't really talking about how wrong it is to NOT eat meat products.

I don't know the details to how people are treated etc, like you've outlined, and I agree that it's wrong.

Who are you referring to by troll?

Don't be a hater.

 

i've been a vegetarian for 4 years now. i want to be a vegan but my mom is concerned about me not getting enough calcium/protein =(

 

We are supposed to be discussing veggie diets here. Which she/he obviously
has no interest in doing.

One little incident where I got pissed off at a jerk for calling me a "moron" and
posting lies about me has suddenly taken over the group.

That's not rational. But it's exactly what the troll wants to happen

Yes they are. They tell us that we are stupid and ignorant and doomed to
ill health and are wasting our time because we are not even doing anything
for the environment.

Hard to be more wrong than that, isn't it?

Don't Feed The Trolls

Standing up to bullies is not being a hater. Neither is criticizing people
for doing obviously bad things.

The idea that being against something is to hate is naive in the extreme.

Not that we shouldn't focus on the solution rather than the problem, when
ever possible. But if someone is assaulting you, you have to deal with it.

LIttlefoot

"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

*From observation and experience here on this forum, one would think that being a "vegetarian" made folks aggressive. Funny thing, I was always told (by vegetarians come to think of it) that MEAT eaters were aggressive... HUH. Maybe it's a conspiracy?

 

Yep, me too, who can afford meat anyway lol.

 

Littlefoot... how can you call anybody a troll when your the one swearing and calling names?

 

Are you an herby? Because if you aren't, then I am going to accuse you
of taking cheap shots at me for what I have said about animal product
consumers.

I might even call you a fucking coward and a backstabber.

And then you can get your self-righteous rocks off AGAIN!

See how accomodating I am?

Littlefoot

 

Littlefoot has got to get off his smug 'holier than thou' power trip.
All he is doing is angering himself because he can't get anyone to conform to his beliefs. I believe it was that mentality that got Jesus murdered.
it's not getting you anywhere buddy
People can't learn if they can't accept reality.
Everyone has their opinions, and whether one person is right or not, people don't like change.
They don't want to conform, it's a two way street.
and we could all benefit from a little open-mindedness

 

Ah, moms and calcium! You could always tell her there are other sources of calcium. Soy milk is usually fortified with calcium, and dark leafy vegetables are good sources. As for protein, meat eaters actually get a lot MORE than they need. I don't go out of my way to make sure I am eating enough protein daily, and I noticed I am even getting more than enough when I check my intake every once in a while. Tofu and beans are two of the many good sources for protein.

 

Be nice if you repsonded to the points I raised instead of just offering
generic insults.

Thanks for comparing me to Jesus.

Or are you insulting Jesus? I really can't tell.

There are scores of millions of people who "conform to my beliefs"
around the world. So I obviosly have nothing to be angry about.

Just because someone criticizes someone doesn't mean they are
angry with them.

Your life belongs to you. Do what thou wilt is the law.

Where is it you think I want to go? I just say what I really believe
to be true.

I'm not forcing anyone to quit eating animal products with a gun or
the like.

If the truth offends you, then the problem is yours.

Yes.

I guess that makes sense.

My mind is quite open to truth. And quite closed to untruth.

Since I am living in a society that is, quite literally, based
on untruths, this can cause problems.

I wish you well.

LIttlefoot

 

Littlefoot is a total prick. I think it's embarrassing that we haven't found the gumption to ban his ass. Refund him his money and be done with him. His attitude is a total disaster. He destroys every thread he participates in. Not to mention he is entirely full of shit. I'll gladly pay Skip the money that was refunded to him. Send me a PM, and I'll gladly take one for the team so we can get back to constructive, instead of destructive, conversations.

 

And you call this "constructive"? We are supposed to believe that
you care so much for a forum that we are supposed to believe you've never
posted on before?

I remember you. You showed up on another forum I was on, where you had never
been seen before, and posted a personal attack against me there. Then you
disappeared. And this post is remarkably like that of the fellow I cursed at,
who called me a "moron". Who had also just dropped by to shit on the forum
and then disappeared.

How's it going, hippychick666, lunarflowermaiden (ad infinitum)? You are looking
in a mirror, not at me.

All you do is destroy. Your only purpose is to dump your own, well-deserved,
self-loathing on whatever forum you are polluting at the moment.

You won't ever put up any money. You'd just abandon this alias and keep
on shitting on the forums using your numerous other aliases.

Please do yourself and the world a big favor and seek professional help.

Note: It's hippie_chick666. And I expect we'll be hearing from flmkpr
pretty quick here. Another of her sockpuppets. She is a genuinely
disturbed personality. Let us all be thankful that she confines her
activities to virtual reality. "earthmother" may be one her aliases,
too. They all seem to show up whereever I post. I arrive first.
"lunarflowermaiden" is a new alias with few posts. She is mocking
all things hippy with that name, too, just in a different way
Sociopaths just have to give themselves away. They need to you
to know that they are smarter than you are. She is manipulating
some of the people on this forum like she manipulates her own
sockpuppets. Look at them dance!


Littlefoot

"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

Have you ever bought half a sheep? The last one was about $44. I bone out all the ribs together with the less good bits of meat I ended up with 2kg of mince albiet a bit fatty. I managed to make some dripping..The bones get used to make gravy for the casseroles or used as yabbie bait. Nothing gets goes in the bin other than the packaging. This is all on top of many roasts and casseroles. I consider half a sheep good value for money.