Vegetarian?

Make sure you eat healthy!
that's all that matters, balance your diet, respect the earth and love your life.
it doesn't matter if a person is vegetarian or not, you are still a person and shouldn't be lumped into any category.
that's society's problem man, everybody has to know what everyone else is doing, to find out whether or not it's okat to do it.
BE HEALTHY!! MIND BODY AND SOUL!!

 

What an incredibly selfish philosophy.

Those are two contradictory statements. Billions of animal product
consumers are, literally, trashing this planet. What was okay a
hundred years ago is not necessarily okay now.

Industrialized farming and ranching on an extremely wide scale is destructive
almost beyond belief. The British, for example, with diets that are basically
like those of Americans, need more land than exists in their entire country
just to grow the food their animals eat.

The Falklands War was about 500,000 SHEEP that are raised there for
the British table. Those sheep have trashed the Falkland Islands.

Littlefoot

"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

See what i mean??
you totally jumped at my throat for nothing man...

everyone is so concerned with what other people are saying and doing and they are losing focus on what is really important.
life is short, and if you constantly ridicule and point your fingers at others, you loose sight of yourself, and that's not right either!!

“Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

--Jesus

 

Littlefoot, please stop being so dramatic. I don't know you, nor do I care to at this point. I have been a member of these forums since June of 2006. The only time I have encountered you here was within this thread. While I feel bad you are being stalked, I would appreciate if you wouldn't take it out on me. You act as though I went on this thread to attack you. I never mentioned you once in my original post. As I had previously said, you responded angrily.

Also, since this has been brought up, my username has nothing to do with hippies, peace, or the 1960's. It is a reference to a book series/television program.

P.S. I am female.

I hope a lot of misunderstandings were cleared up.

Sorry to go so far off topic, but I feel I am being accused of something I did not do.

 

This is pretty heavy man

 

Sorry for being so vague... YES I was talking to YOU. YES, I feel that the thread should have been closed, everything said since then has been ignorance or insults.

You're scrambling to make things seem neutral in order to pull attention away from your losing argument. "Well I'm not this but I'm not not this and not not that either so if I'm not that then I'm not not this either so..." Yeah, you sound like a fucking idiot. You're making no sense whatsoever, and are just letting your pride get in the way of better judgement. You want TRUTH and REALITY? Truth is that cooked food, not meat, is the addiction, and the reality is that humans were never meant to eat other animals anyway. I believe you said that you have been 'raw' in the past, but now you're back to eating meat cooked foods? Sounds like you were too addicted to stick it out. Why don't you try it again and see how long you last? I go through withdrawl and I crave the old cooked foods almost every day. I don't let it get to me, because I know I'm doing the right thing, no matter what bullshit you feel like saying. You're clearly too weak minded to be raw, and I feel sorry for you.

If you maybe grew up among wild animals, not the domesticated drones and mindless pets you had on your farm, and no.. seeing a deer in your backyard does not mean they're your companion, you'd realize that true wild animals eat plants. Oh yeah, they couldn't cook their food either.. so in order to eat raw meat like a true carnivore you'd need an entirely different immune system and digestive tract. Oh yeah, we already talked about this... I'm guessing you never did look it up. So much for being informed.

Hmm, the West Virginia Dept. of Agriculture? A government agency in the most backwards ignorant state of them all... yeah, that's gonna make me listen to him. Yeah, I also trust MSNBC too... Just what we need, more unnatural 'solutions' when the real answer is the simplest of them all.

You know... I used to think that you had some good ideas and just ate meat out of convienence and availability. Now I realize you're just an ignorant addict whose distraction technique is trying to make other people look worse than you. Seeing you post "it pays to be informed" was the funniest thing I've seen on these forums in a long time. You're taking the stance of a self-righteous **** who feels that she has all the answers while calling out others as being the ****. Go look in a mirror.

I'd still like for this thread to be closed. I really do hate to argue, and it makes me feel terrible calling people names.. but it's just too tempting when you get a flood of dull smartasses who feel that they have something to prove.

-Mike

 

That's funny, this is what HE said to me too. How many of us are so stupid that we can't see HE is accusing people of doing EXACTLY wat he is doing?

Don't worry about the fanatic know-it-alls in the world. They obviously DON'T Know it all.

If you can walk into the woods naked with nothing and have a great time for weeks, good for you. BUT, as soon as you start telling people how you are SUPERIOR to them because you can do that, you just lost all your credibility. Again. Rotten people are rotten people and it does not matter HOW talented they are at a particular thing. I COULD be the worlds greatest musician, but if I'm a EGOCENTRIC ASSHOLE about it, nobody will want to listen. Anyhow, Skip has been keeping an eye on the "FOOT" and I can't see him being allowed to continue too much farther in his "superior" insults bordering on threats. I think it may be time for a show of hands...

If my opinion means anything, I think he's just here to cause a bunch of trouble and gloat.

Foot, instead of preaching endlessly about how great and better you are than the others and how anybody who can't do what you can is just a ----------(fill in insult here), why don't you offer to help TEACH everything you know how to do? You must be a walking enciclopedia of survival tactics! Lets hear it! Please start with wild edibles in the eastern US, and go on thru the midwest and onwards. Plus proper harvest and preparation. Tell everybody in areas where there are only certain times of year when things are in season, how to collect and preserve enough wild foods to live comfortably during the winter months. Tell everyone what to do if they are naked and they get cold. Tell everybody how to make a good shelter. Rather than insult the "unenlightened", PLEASE tell us everything you know, as you MUST be the god of survival skills! EDUCATE people if you think they are stupid. Oh yea, a little hint. You can't teach anyone anything if you simply insult those you would try to educate. They won't listen. You have spouted endlessly of how much you know and how stupid others are, but not once have you actually TOLD anyone HOW. Being SELFISH is not going to help anyone. I'd like to see you suddenly transported to our back forty right now. Its 4 inches of snow and 20 degrees. What do you do in your naked condition? Enquiring minds want to know.

 

Instead of challenging him with crap that isn't his responsibility at all, maybe you should try and prove him wrong. You can't.. so you must move on to other tactics in an attempt to belittle him and his opinions. Skip has nothing to do with this thread, so maybe you should stop crying for backup and tell me what the pH of your body is? That's right... go get a test strip and see what your pH is. You'd be surprised. Meat, and other hard to digest cooked foods, puts a lot of stress on the pancreas and other internal organs. It forces the body to produce acids and enzymes in a far greater amounts than it should. But I'm sure someone who is as 'informed' as you would already know this. How do you manage to find a balance, or are you just praying for cancer?

These are the realities and the tough questions. Until you can answer for your own actions, stop trying to distract everyone from the topic here.

-Mike

 

If anyone comes onto any forum anywhere and spends much effort to insult others for what they do, while putting themselves on a pedistal, it is a really good idea if they can back up what they say with fact, otherwise they PISS PEOPLE OFF.

Skip has something to do with ALL the threads here. He's the man...

The topic here is "Vegetarian?" NOT "how can I make myself appear better than anyone else?".

Thank you SO MUCH for being SO CONCERNED about my health. But, fortunately, I seem to have a much better rapport with my body than a lot of people do. I LISTEN to what it says and if it says it needs something extra, I oblige. If it says something is wrong, I adjust. I must not be doing so bad. I'm 52, have the energy and stamina of a 25 year old, my blood pressure is better than the young MEN in the neighborhood. My mind is very clear (photographic memory), a visit to the doctor says I'm disgustingly healthy. And as much as I HATE it, everyone around here looks to ME for all the answers, all the time... Actually I think your STATE OF MIND has as much to do with being healthy as what you consume. And if you eat a HEALTHY diet (whole grains, organic), regardless of consuming meat or not, you will be fine. Again, My ass just ain't all that tight.

 

What about those on raw meat (and veggie) diets? Are they going to die young? They claim to be quiet healthy in the article I read about them.


If you want any kind of credibility stop trying to say its not natural to eat meat... and that eating meat is an addiction. Other than my insides not looking like a "true carnivore" (which is obvious cause everyone here would agree humans are not made to consume a 100% meat diet) I have not heard any other evidence to show that this is actually true. Instead of running in circles why not try to do some research. Be open minded, and if you find more evidence that humans are not naturally omnivores I would love to hear it.

When you are stating something that contradicts with 90% of the worlds view... it is good to have evidence backing you up.


Or better yet stop telling people how to live there lives. Nobody is coming in here and telling anybody to eat meat... or to eat nothing but meat. This is a topic asking if we eat meat or not. Not an argument about if its natural or not.

I am debating giving up on this topic every time I am ready to hit the post button. Although the name calling has seamed to have stopped atleast.

 

I vote for the closing of this thread.

 

I am with earthmother, Soze, and Whiskers123. Why bother to continue this thread if there are just going to be insults and attacks? I am a vegan and disagree with some of their views on diet, but I am not going to pounce on everyone and say I am better than them. Nobody is better than anybody! Quit attacking and start using facts and reasoning.

 

This discourse has gone full circle to the point where I'm beginning to be forced to be repetitive. It would seem that there are some folks who haven't grasped what I've said. So let me clear up some things as there seems to be some confusion. I'll try to nutshell everything as much as possible.

1. I've said I felt it was neither right nor wrong to eat meat.
2. My reasoning comes from my own personal observations of animals and humans.
3. I've offered that there exist alternatives to the commonly known and reported methods of producing food.
4. I've offered that even animals do not totally stick to the diet that we assume they eat naturally.

My personal observations are that:
1. "instinct" in animals food consumption habits seems to boil down to 3 things.
a. What is available to them in their area
b. What they have the physical ABILITY to find and consume
c.What they find TASTES or SMELLS good to them.
And there are no absolutes. Birds eat lard (as in suet), cats and dogs (wolves,coyotes, bob cats, panthers, lions...) eat grass and other greens, sometimes fruit. Many animals eat dirt.

I believe that a diet that is NATURAL for a human OR animal is the healthiest. My personal observations and experience bear this out. My definition of "natural diet" is:
1. Whole foods as opposed to processed white nonsense.
2. Naturally produced foods as in organic and no additives, chemicals, hormones, etc.
3. Foods which are NATIVE to the area in which you live, which would probably be healthier than foods from the other end of the world.
4. Within the framework of the first 3, foods that TASTE and SMELL good to you.
You can't get any more natural than that.

I've pointed out that WASTE of food might be worse than worrying about what we eat.
I've pointed out that what we eat is a matter of personal choice if we are LUCKY.
I've pointed out that due to the many different abilities and lifestyles of humans that it is not possible that everyone is going to eat the same. And this makes them neither right nor wrong.
I've stated that people should do what feels good or right to THEM and not worry about what others think.

If anyone has read anything other than these things into what I've said, they have not been reading with an open mind. But in human nature, those who would be a strict ANYTHING must rationalize their belief system to THEMSELVES, otherwise they could not believe in whatever they do. And sometimes LOGIC becomes the enemy because being a strict ANYTHING is not NATURAL, and therefore not logical.

 

Oh, shut the fuck up already.

 

ROTFL : -) Indeed!

This woman is pretty confused. I quit reading her posts a while back
out of sheer intellectual frustration.

On this thread below she claims to be boycotting cars, but she has a car and
uses it all the time:

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269096&page=3&pp=10

Sorry, "EarthSmother". But it's something you've earned.

You want to be progressive without making any of the sacrifices that
pioneers have to make. So you miss the even greater rewards that
also come with the job.

Littlefoot

 

My friend got eaten by a lion one time.
Animal cruelty goes both ways.

 

eating is about survival.
because of where i live, on the coast with no roads in or out, it is extremely hard to find good food. even harder is it to grow vegetables in a place where it rains 11 months of the year.
i was a vegetarian for two years, by the end i was anemic and sick, very unhealthy and skinny.
the nutritional content of the vegetables we imported was very low due to the length of time it had to travel, and where it was grown. i was so sick, i couldn't even make it up the stairs without getting so dizzy and out of breath i would collapse. and has anyone ever heard of a 19 year old female with a case of the hemmeroids for a year??

i started a vitamin suppliment , and holistic healing remedy for myself, even though the doctor told me it was unsafe.
i gradually started incorperating meat back into my diet, and in april of 2007 i became pregnant. (even after no birth control for three years)
my blood tests show a healthy level of iron and all my B vitamins.
i have never felt so good.
it's about balance and what works for you. bottom line.
no one is aware of how healthy you feel, they may think they are, but that's just ignorance, and this forum is full of it.

 

It's hard to be eaten by a lion more than once.

Eating animals, per se, is not a bad thing. If they are allowed to have
good lives and are killed humanely.

It's just the current condition of the planet and the excessive human
population that makes it wrong at present.

Predation is not cruely. It's quite natural. The treatment of animals
by industrial agriculture is quite a different thing.

Littlefoot


"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln







Nor is predation cruelty.

 

i think every one can agree on that!!