Vegetarian?

I'm guessing that you don't look around nature very much. That statement is hugely untrue. If being a vegetarian isn't working out for you, I imagine that you're eating a lot of cooked food and not getting proper nutrients from them because of that. Maybe you should go raw, eat enough greens, and see how you feel then?

-Mike

 

In my 8 years as a veggie 2 years as a vegan debate about the whole things become a little tiresome, as ive pretty much heard it all. But here i am signing in anyway, letting you know i exist Im mainly a raw foodie with the odd cooked munchie chucked in. Fresh fruits my favourite thing to eat but greens are my primary food source. Not only am i not dead, i feel damn good!

 

After reading this I have my doubts about that.

And no one is impressed by vegetarianism anyway.

It's 'veganism' that counts.

The vast majority of mammals eat plants.

There are over 2000 known species of wild edible plants in North America.
And hunting under primitive conditions is a high art form that takes
years of intensive training to master.

("hunting" includes trapping)

Most of the people who are lost in the wilderness and try to hunt to feed
themselves are found dead beside a half-finished bow that wouldn't
have worked even if they had finished it. (etc.)

Whle they were surrounded by food. The ones who eat berries and grass
seeds and conserve their energy generally survive.

I'll bet you a thousand dollars that you couldn't get a rabbit or deer under
primitive conditions in two weeks. Which would be way too late.

Nor could anyone else reading these posts.

So your point is meaningless. You are talking about an option that
doesn't exist in the real world.

If anyone wants to learn real survival skills, instead of the bullshit
taught by would-be Tarzans, learn the wild edible plants in the
area of your concern.

We learned about those 2000 wild edible plants in the U.S. from
the Native Americans.

Whose diets consisted, typically, of 85+% plant foods.

LIttlefoot

 

"And no one is impressed by vegetarianism anyway.

It's 'veganism' that counts."


If you are just doing it to impress someone........


Definately learn and PRACTICE your wild edibles! Just don't close your mind. Food is food in a pinch.

 

Something occurs to me. Everybody is quick to point out what wild animals eat etc. Now, animals don't have the thing in their brains like humans do, that tells them "oh, I shouldn't eat this or that". They run on INSTINCT as to what they eat. But instinct most likely is a lot easier to grasp than we think. Actually, animals eat what SMELLS GOOD and TASTES GOOD to them. It's realluy that simple. Why do you suppose that dogs and cats occasionally eat grass? Why do you suppose that some horses eat the bark off trees and some animals eat dirt? I have fed HAMBURGERS to horses before and they were quite happy with it. Maybe it was the bun they liked... But they did not protest the meat.

I think with this in mind, it is neither natural or unnatural for a human to consume meat. If it TASTES and SMELLS good to you, then it's natural for you to eat it. If you hate the taste and smell, it's probably unnatural... Everything else is just opinion and judgement. It's really very simple.

 

Please... you've made your point and now you're just making assumptions based off sketchy logic. Go eat your meat if it makes you happy, I don't think there needs to be anything else said on this matter.

-Mike

 

Animal food addicts are insufferably and willfully ignorant.

They are raised in a society where they are conditioned to believe that animal
products taste great, that nothing else tastes so good.

By the time they are teenagers they have seen a million images of people smiling
in gustatorial ecstasy over junk food hamburgers and hot dogs and tacos
and cheap steaks and subway sandwiches.

All from trillion-dollar industries who care about nothing but making money.

And they don't even pick up on the fact that they are being brainwashed.

In other cultures people are conditioned to believe that what we would
consider utterly repulsive foods, like half-formed baby ducks in the shell
and grotesque insects and sheeps-eyes are incredible delicacies worth paying a
great deal of money for.

They know that too, and they still don't make the connection.

Two identical products, one claiming to contain animal products, and one
not. And they will choose the one they think has animal products in it, even though
they can't see and can't taste it and have no way of knowing whether it is
true or not.

And even though milk is obviously meant just for babies, and cow's milk is obviously
just for cow babies, they allow themselves to be brainwashed into believing
that it is impossible to have healthy teeth and bones unless they consume
a lot dairy products for their entire life.

Asian people's have remarkably healthy teeth and bones. But none of them
consumed dairy products until very recently. The ones that have been
doing it for a while have less healthy teeth and bones than the others.

But the animal product addicts ignore that, too.

You just can't have an intelligent conversation with an addict.

Not until they accept the fact of their addiction.

LIttlefoot

"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

Exactly thirty days today... Does that count? You have to start somewhere, right?

 

"Asian people's have remarkably healthy teeth and bones. But none of them
consumed dairy products until very recently. The ones that have been
doing it for a while have less healthy teeth and bones than the others."

I think we were taught in Biology this year that alot of people in Asian countries are... What is it...? Lacto-intollerant? I'm not sure - allergic to milk, dairy products, or something, because they haven't had the change in genes to drink milk. If we really needed to consume dairy products to survive and be healthy, then the countries that don't have these dairy products in their diets should be either dead or unhealthy... And that hasn't happened!

"Most animals feed off other living animals"

Okay, so people have already pointed out this isn't true. We have food chains, and at the bottom of the food chain is autotrophs which make their own food from light (photosynthesis), plants. Then we have the primary consumers who eat these plants. And then the secondary consumers who eat the primary consumers, etc. A limited amount of energy is passed down each step (10%), meaning there has to be a larger number of autotrophs and primary consumers than the species higher up.
I hope that made sense..?
And it's much more effecient for us to get energy lower in the food chain.

 

Sure do. Takes six months to a year to get all the animal chemicals out of
your system. Then you will be an herby. Now you are an applicant.
If you slip up, the count starts over.

This is something that can't be faked. An herby can tell a non-herby by
their smell. It is a wonderful way to tell the progressivs from the
psuedo-progressives.

And this infuriates them, because they live in a world where people
are what they say they are. They don't have to do anything. Ironically,
the typical 'environmentalist' has a much larger ecological footprint
that the typical 'non-environmentalist'. Who are, once again ironically,
usally directy involved in trashing the planet to make all the stuff the
'environmentalists' consume.

I enjoyed you other post. Not sure about the food chain stuff. I don't think
it is that cut and dry. But it is generally true.

There are _very_ few carnivores compared to the number of herbivores in
any ecosystem.

I think that the important issue here is that we are human beings and
we can choose.

Littlefoot

"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

I'll stop eating meat soon. It's my New Years' resolution. I'm not an activist for animal rights or anything, I just wanna see how long I'll last.

I'll never be a vegan, though. I need milk & cheese.

 

gee, I hope you weren't saying that to ME? Or anyone for that matter. If nothing else needs to be said on the matter then we should close the thread, right? End of discussion. We're all right, now lets go outside and play.

My particular "sketchy logic" comes from 52 years of living alongside of animals. From farm animals to pets, to wild and in the woods animals. My main companions have been animals simnce I was a baby. And so I have studied them, watched them, interacted with them my whole life. They make far better companions than most naturally egocentric people do.
So, I'm not speaking from ignorance.

There is "addiction" and then there is "addiction". REAL addiction is when you want or need something SO BAD that you just can't maintain your cool without it. I've seen people who were "addicted" to things you would never think of. I watched a full grown adult man go thru withdrawls over having lost his electricity. It took 2 weeks for his "turn on the switch" addiction to get under control. I also see people all the time HERE who have odd little addictions, like the one where they go into fits of name calling and snobbery if they can't BE "right" all the time. Problem is, those reactions DON'T make them right, it shows just how possibly wrong they might be.

I have no meat addiction. I also have no addiction to NOT eating meat. I have no drug or alcohol addictions, but I'm not addicted to having everyone else sobor as a judge. I'm not addicted to electricity or cars or even having a flush toilet or running water, but I'm also not addicted to NOT having them.... I guess I'm not addicted to setting boundaries for myself or others as long as they are not causing harm. I am completely happy with myself WITHOUT having to create myself unnecessary restrictions. I'm more interested in things like TRUTH and REALITY.

Here is something of interest on the subject for those who don't wish to close the thread. This was taken from a WV DEPT of Agriculture publication, and written by the commissioner, Gus Douglas.

....."The headline from a recent news clip caught my attention and I'd like to share it with you. Could vertical farming be in the future? A farm able to feed 50,000 people that could 'fit comfortably in a city block'? Bryn Nelson of MSNBC reported on this concept in an October 8 news clip. For example, rice could be grown on the 7th floor, wheat on the twelfth floor, and enough food within an 18 story tower to feed a city of 50,000. With our research in hydroponics and plant breeding, I can imagine staple crops grown in environmentally friendly sky scrapers. This is only a concept that exists in futuristic designs on optomistic websites.

An environmental health expert from Columbia University states he is "convinced the world has the know-how to make the concert a reality, and the imperitave to do so quickly".......

So much for "wasting" cropland growing feed for meat animals. It pays to be informed.

 

Wow, 6 months to a year? Why does it take so long?
Are there really alot of chemicals in animal products?
I haven't 'slipped up' so far, the only problem will be making seperate meals for the family lol. I wanted to try it out for a month, see if I got dizzy or tired or any of the things my mum told me would happen from the lack of iron. Do you think a month is long enough to base the effects on? I'm not tired, dizzy, or sick. I haven't been taking iron tablets or changing my diet in any way except having more pasta, brown rice, etc (and avoiding meat, of course!). Should I be? I've heard dark leafy vegies have alot of iron. I don't like spinach, though!

That is really weird to me lol. Their smell? Freaky.

That's right!
My main reason for avoiding meat isn't the effect it has on my body, but the effect it had on the meats body. I hate the way animals are treated (e.g I heard battery chickens have about the space of an A4 size peice of paper?! and they get their beaks clipped off so they don't fight and the lights are kept on for most of the time...). And what for? Just because it's convenient.
Well, that's how I see it anyway.

Sorry about all the questions, I'm a beginner!

 

You can become addicted to anything. You're probably not addicted to meat if you eat it a few times a week, or even everyday, but you can indeed become addicted to it. You can become addicted to water, carrots... Why not meat?

Are you saying you could go into the wild, without any hunting/trapping gear, and catch a rabbit or a deer? Honestly?

If the necessary nutrients can't be obtained from plants in most of the forests, why are the people who eat only plants from the forests so healthy?

 

I would hate to shoot a deer, but surely I'd catch a rabbit. Not all vegetarians are healthy by the way, and plenty of meat eaters are.

 

I'd hate to shoot a deer too

How would you catch a rabbit?

And yes I know, alot of vegetarians aren't healthy. They eat the wrong food and substitutions for meat. What I was meaning by "why are the people who eat only plants from the forests so healthy?" is that the people who eat natural, organic, meatless products are very much healthy. Much more so than the regular Big Mac eaters.
And yes, alot of meat eaters are healthy. I don't think you're unhealthy if you eat meat. I may go back to eating it. The thing that makes me not want to eat it is the animal itself, not the chemicals or whatever

 

Well, I'd probably shoot the rabbit as well. Can't think of a quicker, more painless way.

 

Me too. It'd probably die before it felt anything.

"Are you saying you could go into the wild, without any hunting/trapping gear, and catch a rabbit or a deer?"

That's what I said to the person who said: "And Mr know-it-all about survival saying its a highly trained skill to capture prey to eat obviously either lives in a city and never seen woods, or/and has never done it. It takes just as much skill as knowing which kind of plants you should and should not eat."

I said it because I really don't think it's possible to catch prey in the wild if you have no gear... Including a gun.

 

Don't get me wrong I love animals, and thier fun to pet, but better to chew on. I can't believe the number of vegetarians here though.

Also I could tolerate not eating beef, pigs, lambs and such, but I love chicken and seafood. I really don't think I've ever tried a piece of seafood I didn't enjoy (minus when its badly prepared or has gone bad).

 

Oh right, haha :tongue: Now, if I didn't had any gear and need to get food in the wild I wouldn't aim for rabbits or deers. I'd probably go looking for something slow and easy to catch. If it's a small animal hit it fast behind the ears and if it's big I think I need to see no other way out to get so far to strangle it or something. Man, that sounds like a very sad job. Most likely if I'd really go into the wild like that I'd carry at least a knife though.