Vegetarian?

Been a vegan for 2years. I feel like all of my spirituality has sprung forth since i made that leap. The less negative energy you put into your body, the less negative energy you'll face. If you do eat meat, all I ask is that you inform yourself of what occurs in order to produce it. Simply visit meat.org and watch the video. Thanks

 

Good going.

But you probably shouldn't call yourself a 'vegan'. It's my understanding that
vegans live without doing any harm to animals, and the industries that provide
almost all of the things we consume destroy and maim a great deal of animal
habitat. Which causes considerable harm to animals. Like mass murder.

That's why I call myself an "herby". Someone who eats only plants.

LIttlefoot

 

Vegetarians always spoil it for the normal people.




But really, you do.

 

Good.

There's nothing "normal" about consuming many, many times your share
of the world's resources because one is addicted to a particular kind of
food.

Except in places like America, where all sorts of manifestations of greed
are accepted as normal. Like committing mass murder in the Middle East
so that you can haul your fat butts around in high-speed-armored-wheelchairs.

America: Fuck NO !!

Littlefoot

"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

I have been a vegetarian for 7 years and i try every so often to go vegan for a month or so. i would probably be a vegan if i wasnt so busy with school.

 

I understand. All those uniformed men with automatic weapons there on
campus threatening to shoot anyone who doesn't eat animal products.

Littlefoot

 

You're not very tolerant are you?

 

Not of phonies and dabblers pretending to be something they aren't.

We aren't _supposed_ to be tolerant of fakes.

DUH <<<<<<<<<

You can't be a part-time vegan: It takes 6 months to a year for the last
traces of animal products to leave your system. Until then, you aren't
a vegan, you are someone who is working at becoming a vegan.

The psuedo-progressives, with their incredible capacity for self-deception,
have rendered the term "vegetarian" meaningless. It can mean they eat
milk products or poultry or fish or eggs.

The reason we aren't getting anywhere, why we aren't saving the planet
and we aren't ending war and we aren't ending the exploitation of poor
people and we aren't ending wholesale abject poverty is because of
the psuedo-progressives.

They want to believe, and they want us to believe, that what they are
doing and planning will accomplish the above goals.

But they don't, because the psuedo-progressives are not willing to
change their own lifestyles, which are maintained by the exploitative
sytem that they claim to be fixing.

Been watching the world for 40+ years now, and things just keep getting
worse.

Role-playing elitists like "kippie", who are going to a university where they
are being trained to take over the leadership of this exploitative system
aren't going to do anything to rock the boat that makes their cushy lifestyles
possible.

Thanks for the opportunity to clarify my position here.

LIttlefoot


"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

I actually heard that it takes 3 years of being vegan before a wild animal will 'trust' you. I'm not sure if that's the same thing you're talking about, but nevertheless, I still agree with everything you've said. Maybe it takes about a year for the physical aspects of animal products to leave, and another two years for your karma or spirit to adjust? It's a very interesting subject.

-Mike

 

Hi Mike. Don't know about that last. But after 6 months to a year of
completely abstaining from animal products, there are changes in you:
You no longer have any desire to eat animal products (In fact,
a small amount accidentally ingested will make you sick), and you lose the
smell of an animal-product eater, which is how herbies (I prefer that term to
"vegan" -- it is short for "herbivores") tell a real herby from a fake.

And domestic food animals, like cows, become afraid of you.

Took me a long time to figure out why: Know what happens to cows
and other domestic food animals when everyone becomes an herby?

They go virtually extinct. No one is going to raise them for fun, that's for sure.

A very few will survive in the wild. There are some wild cattle right
now.

Littlefoot

"It's The End of the World As We Know it (and I Feel Fine)." REM

 

I am a vegan,and I love it.
It is not hard, just don't eat meat or dairy.
It's mainly getting healthy, or for animal rights reasons as well.

 

Holy crap... 70% Vegetarians.

I am not... I love meat and im 5 foot 9 100lbs. If I didnt eat meat I would be afraid id lose weight.

 

Th result is probably influenced byt the fact hat it is largely vegeatarians that have responded to the poll.

About your weight loss concerns, it is very easy to maintain a healthy weight without eating meat, after all, it is only calories we are talking about and all food has those, lol.

 

For me, being vegan would require giving up too many things that I love, like cheese, chocolate and eggs. It was no effort at all to give up meat, I had gone off it completely. However I do avoid foods and medicines that have animal products in them, like gelatin. I've yet to find any marshmallows that are gelatin free : (

 

What would all the "vegetarians" do if they were in a situation where it was either eat meat or go hungry? How do all the strict veggies feel about the fact that there will ALWAYS be many people who are meat eaters and there will ALWAYS be meat around, and an awful LOT of folks WASTE an awful lot. In Native American culture it was a crime against the great spirit to waste any part of a kill. Think about how much GRASS and WATER and CORN and whatnot that gets WASTED in raising meat animals and then the meat gets thrown away by folks who don't have any conscience about wasting food... Would you rather be idealistic about what you eat, or would you rather help eliminate waste? Yes, I know all about if people didn't eat meat there would not be any meat wasted anyhow, but that is NOT the way things are and the chances of things BEING that way are very small to non-existent. Now, I will say, I'm coming from the perspective of someone who has ALWAYS been a farmer and lived off the land. And you can NOT raise chickens, and you can NOT raise cows, or pigs or sheep, or goats, but what do you do about the DEER and RABBITS that are eating not only your garden but your fields of grains like wheat and corn? You can't POSSIBLY afford to fence in the acres of land it would require for a family to survive comfortably with enough fence to keep them out, unless you are a millionaire and don't mind the pollution that goes into MANUFACTURING all the fence...

AND, there are many animal lovers and lovers of the environment who would raise ALL types of animals even if eating meat or drinking milk or eating eggs were a thing of the past, in order to keep THOSE animals from becoming extinct!

What it boils down to is that in reality, for most people, being able to be picky about what they eat is a LUXURY. People just have forgotten this in the age of "plenty". But there are a lot of HUNGRY and DYING in the world who would give their right arm for ANYTHING that they can eat. They don't HAVE the luxury of being a (*put label here______)... They just need to eat.

 

For me, the main reasons for being 'vegan' are that I have reduced my
ecological footprint radically, and it is much easier to feed yourself in
situations where you don't have this civilization to rely on.

There are over 2000 known species of wild edible plants in North
America and you can grow all the food you need on about 1/20th
of an acre. With no-till gardening techniques it takes very little
work.

Being 'vegan' means that you eat only plants. It's not just abstaining from
meat and dairy.

Whiskers123? The way the trillion dollar animal product industry hooks
you is with a deluge of propaganda that begins when you are a very
small child: They tell you, in countless ways, that only animal products
will make you healhy and taste good.

They lie. Their bought-and-paid-for scientists lie.

Just tell yourself, many times a day, with feeling, that your
body thrives on simple and delicious plant foods. Use your
own words.

Bulls, the nearly universal symbol for raw physical power, are 'vegans'.
Stallions, the nearly universal symbol of virility, are 'vegans'.


Littlefoot

"The greatest fine art of the future will be the making of a
comfortable living from a small piece of land."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

I'm a 5'9 108lb Vegetarian. We're roughly the same weight, I actually gained
5lbs since becoming Vegetarian. It's healthy dude.

Don't make radical excuses for not being one, either admit that you aren't one just because you feel like you CAN'T give up meat. Or realize that you actually can and it's not as hard as you are lead to believe.

 

Being a 'vegan' means that you eat only plants. In a society like this
that is _very_ difficult.

You can't eat at 99,9% of the restaurants (etc.) and you can't eat
90%+ of the prepared foods at the markets.

The social pressure to eat animal products is intense, partly because
Americans (etc.) are completely intolerant of anyone who is different,
(actually different -- Americans are somewhat tolerant of cosmetic
and superficial differences) and partly because the animal products
industry creates 10's of millions of jobs and retirement (investment)
incomes and insurance policies (investment) and taxes and charitable donations.

Obviously, you have to do almost all of your own cooking, which is
pleasurable but can get lonely if you don't share your meals with
other 'vegans' (herbies).

'Vegans' are pioneers and being a pioneer is always challenging.
But the rewards are great, for the individual and society.

Littlefoot

"It's The End of the World As We Know it (and I Feel Fine)." REM

 

It depends on which "social pressures" you are dealing with. As we ALL know, in SOME circles, if you are NOT a vegetarian, people will look down their noses at you. Which is equally ridiculous. And then there is the difference in eating habits of even the majority. Some folks at least try to eat more healthy and natural by staying away from highly processed foods and some fill their shopping carts with CRAP. And usually, if you look, the ones who are eating all the white bread and bologne and soda pop are the ones who look fat and pale and unhappy. But there is no point in being judgemental. It would make more sense to EDUCATE. And SOME folks can't get out of their thinking about how they were RAISED that way, and that's how they ALWAYS did things, no matter HOW hard someone tries to educate them. But MOSTLY it's all a trap... 'Round here, MANY folks are simply too POOR to buy the good stuff. Ever notice how if it's labeled "organic" or if it's labeled "natural" or "whole grain", it costs MORE?
Even tho it has a whole lot LESS done to it and added to it? Ever see a public school actually have a course on GROWING AND PRESERVING YOUR OWN FOOD? I haven't.
Public schools have a way of either turning everything into a commercial for some technological b.s. or making something so BORING that you don't pay attention.
I took AGRICULTURE in school. What a SUPREME waste of time. We learned NOTHING about farming, only about how the BIG agribusinesses do it. We had "health" classes too. I can't say as one single thing we were "taught" stuck with me. I learned more from the professional gormet vegetarian cook who lived on the "farm" when I was 17.

Ya know what REALLY SUCKED?

Until I was 30, I never cooked any type of meat. Then one day I was at a cookout with a bunch of friends and they asked me if I'd make the hamburgers, and I had to admit I had no idea HOW... Boy was THAT a wakeup call... It pays to know how to do things, even if you rarely do them, just in case you NEED to...

 

About fencing... the deer are most definitely a problem in the midwest in terms of being pests. Not so much on the west coast, but where I was living in Oregon we had a problem with the open range cows trampling the garden. To have 3 or 4 deer every day would have been a blessing compared to the damage these cows did. And the law says that you as the farmer must fence them out or deal with it. This is clearly a problem, and it is only fueled by the demand for this beef, which is being touted as a high quality free range bullshit.

I can't offer any real solutions, but I've learned about ways that the native americans and the vegan hindu's used to keep things balanced. They both basically either planted enough food for themselves and the animals if they were planting something these animals desired, or they learned to grow foods that the animals didn't like, or couldn't get to such as root crops. Fencing was unknown to the native americans, so they just let their extra seed come up on the outskirts of the garden area and the animals went there first instead of going to the main garden. This may not work if you have hundreds of hungry deer in your area, but it would be a start. If you're in an area where you can plant a hedge, they work just as well as a fence and it could be useful as well. I think an ideal garden would be one that was fenced in on all sides with hedges of raspberries. This wouldn't stop rabbits or moles, but I believe a symbiotic relationship can be found with any creature. I hope this helps, and I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to argue any of the points you made.

-Mike