Vegan Diet

shadap n00b

 

What are YOU gonna do about it

 

fuck off
its a freedom of speech forum

 

insulting vegans.
I'm a vego but that still still find that slightly offensive

 

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Kind of Ironic though. You were bitching at us meat eaters when we were expressing our freedom of speech

 

I think the point is that someone came here looking for advice on veganism, and got told to go elsewhere just because this is the dread forum. Than you guys began talking about meat because that is oh so relevant to dreadlocks. I know how frustrating it is when the topic is of [you] being veggi and than everyone begins to speak about meat, when it's probably the last thing you want to be hearing about. If you don't want to be helpful or read about vegans than don't involve yourself.

Anyways the Veg forums are much kinder. These dread ones can become fairly nasty at times.

 

he just loves to stir. it takes a lot of strength and determination to be a vegan and since it's the healthiest way to live people coming on here calling it 'faggoty' are just clearly jelous because they wouldn't be able to do it! After being vegetarian for as long as I can remember veganism is just a natural progression if you give a shit about animals.

 

lol at this

Most people with a higher form of education (doctors, nutrionists, nurses) would argue that being a healthy vegan is extremely hard and very few could do it.

By no means is it the healthiest way to live

 

I don't trust doctors so...

 

Of course. How silly of me

 

Being vegan is a hell of a lot healthier than the way half of the people around here live these days. All the fast food and crap that is readily available just about everywhere you go, but no one persecutes them as much as vegans. If done properly it can be extremely healthy and no doctor will tell me otherwise. I feel much better these days than i ever did as a meat eater and that is proof enough for me.

 

And I agree with your points and never said otherwise

 

being a healthy vegan isnt hard at all man...it just requires some research, and you getting off your fat ass to make your food from scratch. [im not implying your a fat ass....Im speaking generally] =]
Ive been vegan for 6 months now after being veg for 8 years and its great! I have so much energy and am very athletic.

 

oh and what the hell happened to this thread??! The OP was looking for guidance and some aholes responded...well...like aholes! To all of you dick heads on this forum.....SUCK IT!!!!!!!! Im tired of it all.

 

I like vegan chocolate and this maple walnut iced cream chaos has

 

(btw this is a genuine rather than a confrontational question..)
Do you reckon that some of the big health differences you can notice when switching to a veggie/vegan diet are not just from the things you're choosing not to eat, but also the considerable changes of making sure all the non-animal aspects of your diet are of a higher nutritional value? E.g. continuing to eat animal products, whilst also ensuring their non-animal accompaniments are of as high a value as they would be in a vegan diet, may also give health benefits? Eating animal products doesn't have to be synonymous with eating fast/junk food.
(again, the point of this question wasn't to defend meat-eating, but to look at the health aspects of veganism from another angle which occurred to me just now ).

 

Great point. This is where I am at in my life right now. I love vegetables, damn near all of them. But they definitely leave me feeling hungry no matter how much I eat after months of eating nothing but vegetables. I became vegan to become healthy. And despite reading books and everything I could, I still couldn't function optimally. But as soon as I incorporated meat into my healthy whole-foods vegan diet, I gained all my weight back and felt actually healthy again. I just think it's important for people that go the vegan route to being open to possibility that their body is not capable of living off plants alone. And reading a book on the subject, I truly believe we all have a unique diet that we must individually follow for optimal health. I wish I could survive without meat so I could spare the lives of all the animals I consume, but I simply cannot.

According a book I read, the author was a vegan for 20 years, we all have a metabolic type. There are carbohydrate, protein, and mixed types. Each metabolic type required a particular ratio of complex carbs, protein, and grains. This guy is a practicing nutritional doctor with over 20 experience years to prove this stuff. He gave veganism years ago after he learned he was a protein type. I just think it's EXTREMELY important for people to forget about the cruelty and killing of animals when they are making the decision to be a vegan....I especially worry for young kids. It was the hardest decision I have made in a long time to decide to eat animals again. I had to though. I just know form personal experience how sick I felt from lock of ANIMAL protein. Hell in the end I was even eating 4+ eggs a day for protein and still didn't work like a whole chicken breast or something.

Meat is nasty for sure. I really do hate it but goddamn I am human being and need meat to live.. nothing else I can really do if I want to remain healthy.

 

yep amy...it totally is. Since going vegan...Ive turned into a total food snob! I only eat pure and organic grains, veggies,lentils, and so forth. I stay clear to the best of my ability from anything with preservatives. In fact most of the time I just eat raw foods...which has the highest energy levels and nutrients. So....yeah....you can be just as healthy eating meat if you ate similiarly.

 

There are some vitamins and nutrients that can only be found in animal products. B-12 and natural iron are examples. Unless you get supplements but then you are going against your all "organic and pure" lifestyle seeing as how all those supplements are created in a lab by scientists.

The b-12 and iron from meat are actually better for you aswell because humans were designed to consume meat (like it or not) and the body has an easier time breaking down and absorbing vitamins and minerals from vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and meats rather than artifically created vitamins and supplements. In the case of meat, it's a mammal eating a mammal which is completely natural on this planet.

Either way, I am all pro choice. As a an adult male, I eat meat because I am very active and I need all the abundant proteins that are readily available in it. I eat vegetables and all my other food groups aswell and try to get all my nourishment from real foods. Sometimes I am forced to eat unhealthy because I dont have time to cook after long days. But for the most part, I live a healthy lifestyle that includes meat.

I don't condone vegetarians/vegans as I have been greatly educated by my partner on the lifestyle and she is a very well informed and knowledgeable on how to be a healthy vegetarian/vegan. My only problem is the ones who bash meat eaters and meat in general claiming it's unhealthy.

 

Re iron...I'm not quite sure what you mean by "natural" iron only being in animal products...plants contain iron too, but the bioavailability (e.g. the ease with which the body can absorb iron from a given food) can vary greatly. Iron absorption is also strongly influenced by other dietary components, for example calcium significantly inhibits iron absorption, whilst vitamin C significantly facilitates it.

And yeh, I think in evolutionary terms, the "natural" proportion of the human diet to be composed of meat is about 20%, which is fairly low and sounds about right. For me, all the problems with consuming animal products are to do with industry, and not the question of whether it's ok for one animal to eat another. Nature makes that answer pretty clear. Plus, we have the ability to be a great deal kinder than nature...until money and business get involved, etc...