Vaccinations

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by siri888, Jan 5, 2015.

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  1. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    Wait...you mean that assertions have to be supported by something called "evidence"? And this so-called "evidence" has to be from "medical researchers" who have something called "credentials"?

    I suppose that next you'll expect this "evidence" to be published in a journal that is "peer reviewed", and that its conclusions "should support the assertions made".

    I bet you're with the illuminati
     
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  2. audrey_the_endotherm

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    Vaccines have proven to be safe and effective over and over again through science. Yet it is impossible for these over zealous anti vaxxer's to even look at the overwhelming evidence. If these paranoid conspiracy theorists what to see a conspiracy, then they will see one. You're right, it's pointless to continue to present the evidence.

    I assume someone had replied to my previous message here, however I can't read it because it was posted by someone already on my ignore list, probably for the best, I am tired of these ignorant and irrational people.
     
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  3. David0301

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    vaccines contain aluminium, formaldehyde, foreign DNA, anti-freeze agents, mercury etc
    Having said/known that there is no reason to further debate whether you should "take" vaccine shots or not.
    If I gave you a tiny bit of anti freeze agents or mercury mixed with a glass of water you surely would not drink it.
    But you allow it to be injected into your bloodstream because you trust this man in white thobe who btw does not even know himself what is contained in the vaccine. His job is merely to sell drugs for the pharma industry.
     
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  4. Asmodean

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    All vaccinations are the same! What counts for one counts for all! :p
     
  5. Kerri

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    Those who choose to not get vaccinated benefit from the responsible choice the overwhelming majority made in getting inoculations that greatly reduced incidents of preventable disease
     
  6. Asmodean

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    I miss this woman!
     
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  7. morrow

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    Tsk! Scare mongering is a great way to turn our countries back to the killer illness jungles they were before vaccinations irradiated the chances of infant deaths, TB.. etc etc..

    Less people die of complications from vaccinations, than do from the illness they have irradiated , so which would you prefare?
     
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  8. tumbling.dice

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    I work with a couple of people who refuse to get their daughters vaccinated against the HPV infection, a virus that can cause cervical cancer in women. Their rationale is that it would be like giving their daughters a green light to have sex. Hell, they're going to have sex eventually, don't you want them protected? Needless to say I live in rural Kentucky, a place not known for rational thought.
     
  9. Meliai

    Meliai Banned

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    Oh, this debate again

    Anti vaccers benefiting from herd immunity are still trying to push their anti vaccination shtick?
     
  10. SillyChatty

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    Dr Mercola uses a lot of factual information at his site and not just his own! You can find some doctors that disagree with each other, some specialists that disagree with each other, nutritionists that disagree on which foods are the most healthy or unhealthy, some veterinarians that disagree on the best treatments. I just wonder if you emphasize the homes that drug makers live in?

    What works for one person don't work for another. There is not always a perfect answer to what's best. Mercola doesn't always agree with everything someone puts out just because he might agree with one thing they say and he has made that point in some of this articles.

    Fact is I've been harmed by meds (totally documented by doctors) while other people take them without any side effects. Some people take natural meds and they don't help while other people it does. My dog when she was prescribed meds she threw it up the first dosage. I stopped it did some research and found something safe and gave it to her and that problem was resolved without her throwing up. With the long list of known side effects stated about meds but some people just have to bash natural alternatives even when they don't work a lot of them are safer and for some people they do work. There has been studies done on some natural products, too.

    Of course organic or gmo free supplements or foods cost more than the others no matter where you get them from!
     
  11. Meliai

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    ^Dr. Mercola is still claiming vaccines are dangerous because they're linked to autism. This has been debunked again and again. He has some decent advice as far as eating healthy and preventative medicine but other than that I think he's mostly full of shit
     
  12. David0301

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    i advise you to stay away from meds, they are very harmful and have not been proven to be efficient, big pharma is so influential they even have employees at the FDA

    one of my Cousins in california has a donated liver and wont live much longer because they pumped her up with all kinds of drugs. damn pharma. give it another 20 years and New medicine will be upcoming.

    Every year, 700000 people die in the US alone because of the treatment they receive, not because of the diseases they have . for further info Google "iatrogenic".
     
  13. morrow

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    That's not a good statement David, prove that please!

    Your also not a Dr to be advising people like that, you are dangerous doing such a thing.
     
  14. Asmodean

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  15. Asmodean

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    Source?
     
  16. scratcho

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    I was in a play in high school and one of the performers that I was around every day came down with polio. Ended up in an iron lung. This was before polio vaccine came along---I didn't get it--who knows why? I know that my gramma fed me exceptionally well and gave me vitamins too. So--? Until "they"started using dead viruses in polio vacs--the live virus vacs were the leading cause of polio, or so I read. The principle seems sound----put a small, weak amount of a disease into the system to awaken your defenses and that has worked wonders in many diseases. AS far as impurities in vaccinations, I have read about the mercury, etc being in them, but not being a scientist and certainly a layman regarding such----it doesn't sound good to have mercury and other chemical items put into ones system. One factor in all this is that ALMOST every endeaver by humans to do anything--anything at all--will have a deleterious effect on a small portion of those that partake in said endeaver. Some will get sick and some will die. But I think overall, vaccinations have mainly worked for the majority that choose to have them.

    Son #1 got sick as a dog when we had him innoculated with the first ones "they"give to babies. (DPT?) We didn't vaccinate the other two, except for dead virus polio. WE got a religious exemption--we weren't religious.
     
  17. David0301

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    to you and morrow, i said google iatrogenic, there you will see the statistics,
    i will certainly not amuse you with pages-long debates which only lead to nowhere,
     
  18. Asmodean

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    When someone asks for your source of a very specific number you gave, a clear answer will avoid a pages-long debate in almost all cases.

    Google may be our friend, but its not a direct source for anything.
     
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  19. scratcho

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    Yeah--it's like when Jerry and Kramer were watching an operation and they flipped a piece of candy into the one being operated on. Anyway--there are thousands of mistakes by medical personnel in hospitals doctors offices, and in pharmacies. "Ya'bets'yer life and ya'takes yer chances."

    In my case, my life has been saved twice by doctors making the right calls and following through correctly.
     
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  20. Meliai

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    This was all I could find but I didnt look very hard

    January 2017 | 2017 | Deaths from prescription drugs: 500,000; deaths from supplements: 0 | January | 2017 | News | What Doctors Don't Tell You

    David isnt too too far off, this says the figure is 500,000. But that includes accidental overdoses and suicides from opiates and benzos.

    Only 40,000 of the 500,000 is from adverse reactions when taking the medication as prescribed

    Which is a lot but doctors do have to determine the benefit to risk ratio everytime they write a prescription

    Of course we have to keep in mind the US is a for profit healthcare system unlike the rest of the first world. We're the only nation where we can see an advertisement for a medication on tv and ask our doctor to write us a prescription for it. Its an odd system and prone to abuse, I see some of that abuse in my work. So David isnt entirely wrong but he seems to scorn modern medicine as a whole which I'm sure he'll continue to do until he needs it to save his life
     
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