Vaccinations.

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by lode, Jun 1, 2009.

  1. HawaiianEye

    HawaiianEye Member

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    The Polio Vaccine or liquid drops virtually eliminiated polio in much of the world,so it was and is a great success. BTW it was not patented by any drug company.--I do think however that nowadays too many vaccines are given to children,especially in America.Alot more than when I was a kid.So overdoing vaccines (some not needed at all) is a problem.
     
  2. european

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    From Millers site.

    "I am a physician and teach cardiac surgery at the University of Washington School of Medicine and Seattle VA Medical Center. I recognize and study the importance of natural medicine, especially for maintaining optimum health. I also study and write about history, philosophy, book collecting, and various orthodoxies in the climate and biomedical sciences."

    He seems to a jack of all trades. not really somebody worth a citation.
     
  3. lode

    lode Banned

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    Where did you copy and paste that from? Theres a lot of information there to debate, try to keep it coherent.

    Vaccine use was highly restricted in war torn nazi germany. It's a lesion which attacks other skin infections which rose highly during war time, so theres your explanation for that little 'fact'.
     
  4. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    It's been removed from some vaccines (so they claim), but certainly not "all vaccines in the West." ALL flu shots DO contain mercury.

    Also, this article states a decline in autism rates since thimerosal has been removed from childhood vaccines:

    http://articles.***********/sites/a...1/cdc-fights-mercury-removal-in-vaccines.aspx

    Mercury is only part of the problem with vaccines.


     
  5. european

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    O man. Pointing to website dedicated to natural health to argue a thimerosal point. It's a bit like pointing somebody to an oil company to prove something about global warming.
     
  6. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    In 1977, Dr. Jonas Salk, who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other Scientists that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases through the USA since 1961. (Science, April 4, 1977, 'Abstracts")

    Don't forget it also crippled many people for life.
     
  7. european

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  8. lode

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    It's not mercury, it's a mercury derived preservative.

    This is a graph of autism cases. There has been no clinically significant lowering in cases of autism.

    The rise of autism is largely the fact that now we know what it is, and c

    an diagnose it. It's also sort of over diagnosed.

    http://www.fightingautism.org/idea/autism.php

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  9. HawaiianEye

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    Pressed Rat is right about the mercury ,and possible other toxins in some vaccines.It's directly related to the huge rise in Autism and who knows what else.---And again it's becaue they really 'over-do' the vaccines now.If I was to guess when I was a kid I got maybe 1/3 rd the amount of vaccines kids get nowadays.
     
  10. european

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    Rubbish.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy <-- also mentions mercury
     
  11. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    So let's see your credentials. Are you a heart surgeon?

    What is the purpose of emphasizing what you highlighted in bold, other than to show that he is probably a decent doctor who believes in more than simply prescribing pills to people? Perhaps if more doctors believed in natural medicine, instead of the toxic pharmaceutical garbage they push on everyone, people would be healthier.


     
  12. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    the tetanus vaccine can cause an increase in seizures over a couple of weeks, so I'm not up to date on it, and I will not get it again unless I NEED it.

    thank ya very much.


    sometimes there is no option except toxic medication

    the death rate on alternative therapy for epilepsy is incredibly high. and severe cases of epilepsy (the kind where they actually still give people lobotomies) doesn't have an alternative.

    sometimes horribly toxic medication sucks, but it's the best of really horrible options.

    sometimes doctors who believe in "natural medicine" are quacks who are endangering their patients.
     
  13. lode

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    No. The rise in diagnosis of a disease simply increased drastically at a time when interest in public healthcare of children was rising and vaccinations became compulsory.
     
  14. Hiptastic

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    Tell you what I'm gonna do.

    I'm gonna copy and paste a bunch of random crap from the internet, and any time someone asks me a question about it or want to know where it came form, I'm going to copy and paste more crap.

    This will prove I'm right.
     
  15. HawaiianEye

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    Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals in the world.It certainly is not good for you.A number of countries have either banned or are going to ban mercury fillings.
     
  16. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Hey, doesn't your boyfriend need his ass reamed again? Go back to doing what you're good at. The bathhouse called and they're looking for you.

    Sorry you cannot refute the sourced and documented facts I posted. Sorry it makes you so angry.

    By the way, if any of the mods have an issue with what I said above, just look at who started it first.
     
  17. european

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    I don't need to explain anything now.
     
  18. Cherea

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    There's probably some evidence about vaccination and side-effects. There's always evidence of side-effects to any medicinal concoction whatsoever. And then, the cause-effect studies are always ambiguous because factors can't be considered in isolation such as in a lab.

    And then you got the people who dispute the fatalities derived from HIV and the correlation between cancer and cigarette-smoke. It's all guess work for most of us anyway, so I'm glad I've been vaccinated.
     
  19. lode

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    What did you post that was corroborated with research? I blinked.
     
  20. european

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    This has nothing to do with what you claimed in your post. If you need to change the topic. Don't bother posting.
     
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