It certainly is a staple of the fictional Star Trek universe. Some day we will live in an ideal world. A utopia in other words. But really how likely is such a thing? And when? Because wouldn't it be wonderful to live in a world where everyone mattered? Where even one homeless person, one starving person is too many? FWIW I think every year perfectly divisible by 80 is a significant year. For this reason I think 2160 might be a pivotal year, a point when everything comes to its full fruition. And that is around the time in the fictional Star Trek universe when it all happens. And their predictions are often accurate. So you never know. What do the rest of you think?
Yes, we came a long way already. But I also think a significant amount of our ancestors would not dig our current society (like, a lot of cities, a lot of cultural changes, how we deal with our luxuries, etc.), despite likely being impressed with certain technology, or the overall numbers regarding poverty, education etc.
Different people are going to have different ideas of what utopia would be. We're too much of consumers to make it happen and while I don't necessarily ascribe to the idea of Nietzche's Übermensch , that being a type of people who are essentially super-human, there is a tremendous amount of variability in humans and I cannot imagine resolving all those different views, aspirations, ideas to form a utopian society.
World leaders will never allow utopia to happen. Some people always have to be a head above everybody else.
I heard something about correctional camps but I can't remember where they are. Some country has these camps... re-education camps I think they were called. here's something... this is how we attempt to achieve Utopia I'm guessing https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/asia/xinjiang-china-reeducation-camps-intl/index.html
I don't know why I think it. It just seems to be true for some unknown reason. I have been interested in patterns like this for over 20 years. I guess they just pop up (the patterns), for no apparent reason. Maybe there is some sociological reason for them. Btw, I have also found social movements seem to come to their full fruition on a 90 year pattern. 2160 also comes up this way interestingly enough.
there is no point beyond which further improvement is no longer possible. but it is possible to create a world in which no one need fear their continued existence, nor lack opportunities for creative gratification. this latter is kind of a minimum for admission to galactic civilization. we may not have long to wait, for a time, when our environment will no longer support many of our familiar assumptions. thus forcing us to reexamine any we may have yet to, simply to survive.
You sure about that, themnax? It could be that some civilizations are so close to being God that they had to take a step back before they became virtually non-existent. I think there are just some things we could do without. Like warfare, for example. All of these weapons should just be melted down.
In many ways, utopia's have and still do exist. The main argument against that would be that conflict itself can never be abolished. Especially with communities outside your egalitarian one.
You could say an ant colony is utopia for ants. It functions perfectly according to the laws of nature and can't be improved upon. Insectopia indeed.
When an ant dies, it excretes a scent that lets other ants know it is dead so they can bury it. Sometimes this scent gets caught on the helper ants and other ants will try to bury it alive even though it isn't dead.
