USA's Future?? (given the BS of the recent past)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by erofant, Dec 31, 2021.

  1. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    The Democrats have failed to pass any meaningful electoral reform. 19 states have enacted 33 laws making it harder to vote, and in some cases making it possible for Republican electoral officials to reject electoral college votes and substitute their own. Republican gerrymanders effectively nullify millions of votes before they're even cast.
    The two Democrats getting the most face time on the news last year are Manchin and Senema; both of whom personify everything everyone loathes about Congress.
    The withdrawal from Afghanistan was going to hurt any incumbent President at the polls, which is why no previous President had the courage to pull that plug.
    Regardless of what causes inflation, sitting Presidents (and parties) get blamed.
    Typically, parties in power lose seats at midterms.
    Add it up, and Democrats are going to get slaughtered. Republicans will institute a permanent minority rule modeled on pseudo-democracies like Hungary, and release the brakes on our inevitable slide into outright Fascism.
    Checkmate in three.
     
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  2. wrat1

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    and the more the economy spirals out of control the more likely the above scenario
     
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  3. MeAgain

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    More likely the perception that the economy is bad.
     
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  4. wrat1

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    you wish to argue semantics? gas hit record highs with no slowdown in site, gold over $2k, inflation up, the housing market is INSANE , and just wait until the fuel surcharges start to come into play. do you remember back around '08 when that happened?
     
  5. MeAgain

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    I remember the 1973 oil crisis as my uncle had a gas station in western PA and I helped him pump gas.
    He wore a side arm as customers were getting nasty, we had to take the hoses off the pumps that were dry to stop riots from those who didn't believe the tanks were empty, fuel tankers formed convoys escorted by National Guard helicopters to move the fuel around.
    This is nothing but a bunch of whining SUV and huge pickup trucker owners bitching about the oil companies reaping in the gold.

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. wrat1

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    i remember that as well but 2 different scenarios the '73 oil crisis was due to a perceived shortage (whether or not there was a shortage is debatable but not relevant)
     
  7. MeAgain

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    '73 was due to an oil embargo by OPEC.

    Today in the U.S it's becasue U.S. companies have not stepped up production due to several factors.
     
  8. wrat1

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    again semantics with 2 different scenarios in '73 as you know stations were rationing as well as running out that is obviously not the case here... the general public is not happy and the current administration is perceived to be at blame, and as an aside why did Biden take 2 weeks to ban Russian imports? not because he gave 2 shits about prices at the pump BUT because it is going to KILL the dems at midterms, this admin has said and proven that they are NOT oil friendly, unfortunately for us the infrastructure is nowhere near ready to be weaned off oil
     
  9. MeAgain

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    I don't know what you mean by semantics, I'm giving you my opinion, for what it's worth, that's all.

    I know we're not running out of oil..but the prices are rising.
    That's my point.

    The present administration will be perceived to be at blame by a certain percentage if it rains tomorrow, so what?
    Biden took two weeks to ban Russian oil as he was consulting with our allies as to the effect that ban would have on world markets, whether they would support it, how we would make up the difference, he was marshaling congressional support, consulting with oil companies, finding out how it would affect our economy...and gauging political fallout. A deliberate, thoughtful approach before taking action.

    If he doesn't care about the price of oil at the pumps, why would he think it will hurt the Democrats in the fall? If it would effect the elections then I would think he would care about the price.

    There are at least 9,173 unused oil leases currently in the U.S. Why do you think Biden is anti oil?
     
  10. wrat1

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    The US banning imports to the US would have little to no effect on the global economy as we get around 5-10% from Russia which is actually next to nothing. with the UK getting around 40% of their gas/oil from Russia there was NO way they could get behind a ban. this was already known .. with oil prices rising which will cause everything to rise in turn including inflation the economy will be effected which will be blamed (partially rightly so) on current admin so whether the economy is bad OR is perceived as bad becomes one and the same

    you already posted part of why Biden is anti oil ,,,
    Biden’s Anti-Oil Policies Strike Alaska - IER (instituteforenergyresearch.org)
    Biden Continues Anti-Oil Promises On Day One | OilPrice.com
    President Biden’s sparring with President Trump over the oil industry has so far included the Keystone XL pipeline project, the ANWR drilling rights, the Paris Climate Agreement, and banning oil and gas drilling on all federal land.

    plenty more articles but the whole green new deal etc is pretty anti oil

    And my point is gas is going up.. so 2 sides of the same coin
     
  11. Idlewild

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    Biden's actions indicate we may be getting more oil from Venezuela in the near future, which should negate the Russian oil blockage.
     
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  12. MeAgain

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    The UK is going to ban Russian oil by the end of the year.
    The EU is working toward the same end.
    From your first link we can see that the Trans-Alaskan Pipeline System has no investors due to the pandemic so no need to drill,
    So Biden did not expand any new leases in relation to Alaska’s North Slope as they aren't needed anyway and would harm the North Slope. So you can call it anti oil, I would call it practical and pro environment.

    Your second link correctly points out that Biden's decision is relatively meaningless anyway.
    Nobody wants to drill anyway so Biden imposes a “temporary moratorium”, not a denial, to those who don't want to drill anyway. Headlines can be deceiving.

    And as I've pointed out
    It seems Biden is able to reevaluate his policies depending on present factors and conditions in the world as contrary to your bold face type he hasn't banned drilling on all federal land.

    Additionally Biden never supported the Green Deal.
     
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  13. wrat1

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    A lot can happen in 9 months and 8 years respectively
     
  14. MeAgain

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    Sure.
     
  15. erofant

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    2 people caused the measures to fail. The rest TRIED to enact electoral reforms so ALL people can vote and their votes count. Republicans were a total zero in favor of fair reforms.
     
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    Republicans don't want "all people" to vote.
     
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    ... or to get educated... or to think. A well informed and educated populace is the republicans' worst nightmare.
     
  18. wrat1

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    which is still a failure, obviously
     
  19. Tishomingo

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    And eventual economic ruin. ElTrumpo will become Presidente, with Vlad the Destroyer pulling the strings. He loves us so!
     
  20. Piobaire

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    Feudalism 2.0
     

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