US Should Invade Israel!

And AGAIN - how are these women supposed to prevent their children from being killed by ROCKETS?

And considering that most of the people in the occupied territories are poor, not allowed to leave, unemployed, etc. - what EXACTLY are you proposing these women do? It's not like they can just hop a jet to Paris and get an apartment. They LIVE IN A WARZONE. What do you WANT from them?

You have to be pretty freaking high and mighty to boast about what YOU wouldn't do as an impoverished Palestinian woman living under occupation while you're sitting in the suburbs (or anywhere else besides the worst ghetto) in the US. Christ.

 

god damn it! it is no more an occupation than ANY OTHER nation state. it just seems to me that you believe that Jews should have no home.

sorry, i'm just getting so frustrated. it doesnt matter WHAT we say here, the fascists on BOTH sides will keep a war going at all costs. the fascists will not rest till we are ALL dead

 

wow, our conversation was pretty friendly right up until now, at least i thought so. i wasn't actually considering specifically the idea of rockets when thinking of women using their children as human shields, and i IS a good point. i suppose one idea of what i would expect from them would be to not actively support suicide bombers and terrorists planning such bombings, though i suppose tha twould get them shot or beaten to death anyway. please don't mock my naive attempts and understanding these issues, i'm fairly new to it. it makes it harder for me to listen to you. that comment about paris very nearly shut my brain down. you don't have to be hostile to get me to listen, in fact, you do better when you're not.

 

Well gee that just makes you the ultimate authority on the subject now doesn't it?

So you've made decisions based upon these programs you saw on TV. Wonderful, I've always said that the Western media sends out biased messages to the North American people. Such lovely propaganda and you swallowed it hook line and sinker. Good for you! How does it feel to be a fish?

Low estimate I know about 500 Palestinian families and NOT one of them idolizes any terrorist whatsoever. They are certainly not happy with the situation and not happy that they were forced to leave their homes in Palestine, and they DO NOT cheer when terrorists blow something else up.

You think that all Palestinians are militant. You are SO wrong it's not even funny. I suggest that you do some actual research before repeating biased propaganda you hear on the tv.

 

Relax! Nobody said anything of the sort. Personally I think they should just let people have their OWN homes and not try and take them away from people who are not willing to give them up just yet. I think that instead of trying to steal olive harvests, those settlers should be helping their Palestinian neighbours to harvest them and become a COMMUNITY where they can ALL survive and flourish.

 

so there aren't any children trading cards with terrorists on them?

 

i was reading another editorial on how in a poll, the majority of families in israel support the withdrawal from the gaza strip, but there's a minority party who were able to march and sway the prime minister to not withdraw from the west bank settlements and such.

 

I've been to the territories, and believe me... you might see it as a piece of a map, yet, there is a shitload of land there.

Those women and thier children do not HAVE to stay in homes of people who are KNOWN to be wanted by the Israeli government...

And, you are as hateful as they get, and as awfuly biased.

IN your opinion, the Palestinians are 100% right, and all of Israel should just burn in hell?

 

Sharon himself purpsoed an active plan of complete withdral around a week ago, but the majority of Likud registered voters disagreed with the plan. Sharon now actively porclaims that he "couldn'r care less" and still wants to proceed with withdrawl.

 

When that hapepns Palistine would be indipendant, not a soverign state, and not a "prison camp". Israel, as a country has every bloody right in the world to isolate itself from its neighbors, in any form.

Nothing satisfies you, does it?

You all say that you would be happy with an indipendent Palestinian state, yet now you complain about it being "separated" from Israel?

Why the hell should they not be separated!?!?!

 

You know KC instead of passing yourself off as if you knew what you were talking about why didn't you just ask questions or say that you didn't know about this or that. It would make it easier for all of us.

Suicide bombers are recruited and not involved in the planning of their missions at all. They are TOLD what to do, when to do it and that they are doing it for the freedom of their people. They are not given time to think of what they are actually doing, that they will actually die and take innocent people with them. They are in effect puppets for Hamas and its leaders. Some time ago there was a boy that was supposed to carry out a mission and at the last minute he refused. He was caught by the IDF and interrogated. He explained how he was recruited, what Hamas told him. These kids live in such fear all their lives. Their schooling is constantly interuptted, they are treated like second class citizens, and they live without hope. This is why it is easy to recruit them.

It is Hamas that does this to children NOT their parents. Their parents don't even know until they are dead. Most are angry that their children were recruited and don't even support Hamas or their tactics at all.

I've seen a lot of ignorant little white children too KC, and their parents are KKK and Aryan Resistance. However I don't make snap judgements and decide that ALL Americans are like that. By your standards maybe I should.

 

The territories were occupied after a retaliation to war, and self defence by Israel in 48' and 67' . Being in war with Palestine, together with the arab nations... makes land conquoring conpletely legal.

 

Check the maps on where that wall is going and how it is going to cut off every single Palestinian town from each other. They are all going to be just like little prison camps.

 

Those towns will be in Israel's territory, which would not include them as part of the 'indipendent nation". Those town are refuge camps as they are right now, the citizens will be transfered into Palestine.

 

You want to know what these kids collect? Bullet shells. Thousands of them.

Those are probably pictures of people killed either by the IDF or possibly bombers, and it was probably a few children, definately NOT all of them as your program would probably have you believe. Besides...did you forget about those mass murderer trading cards they had over here not so long ago?????

 

jeez, another slap in the face. chill out, please. i never called all palestinians militant at any point in time. show me where i did. in fact, i know damned well most of them are just trying to go about their lives the best they can, because that's human nature. the only one over-simplifying and pre-judging here is you. i say what i "know," and you get to disagree. enlighten me, please. but instead you wanna get mean. you know damned well there are militant families over there actively raising their children to be just as militant as they are. i know about that poor boy recruited, i also know of all the innocent people slain on both sides. but the fact remains that ultra violent people exist on the palestinian side of the border as well. they're not 100%, every last one of them, innocent.

 

Uh huh...more demolitions, more deaths and MORE reason for hate. EXCELLENT road to peace...yup!

Why SHOULD they have to move at all...that wall is not where it was supposed to be at all. It was supposed to be further back and not taking Palestinian land. But of course Israel doesn't listen.

 

ah, thanks for the info, very helpful. so glad i come here for the kindly shared wisdom.

and yeah, those mass murderer trading cards are fucking sick. i would have made mention of all the awful parents over here who allow their children to be indoctrinated into a culture of death and violence, but you probably woulda chewed my ass about it.

 

There is only death if there is retaliation.

If the Palestinians are as "Smart" as you put, they would prefer to move calmly without violence.

They should be grateful for thier own state, which they do not deserve, based on thier actions. I already argued steadily that Israel has legal control over the teritories, since they were conquered at war. (which ironicly was not declared by Israel).

There is no such thing as "supposed to be" in this world.

 

Did I SAY that? NOOOOOOO... I did not. There are some pretty nasty Israeli's too, and those settlers are not as innocent as they might have you believe. Some of them have committed outright murder and got away with it.

If you don't want slaps don't hand them out.

The thing is you DON'T know.

Back two pages now I think:

I'm not talking about a recent occurance KC this boy was a few years ago. I'll see if I can find a link for you. It was interesting reading.