US out of the UN

:rofl:

 

see? No original thought. We must accept government to "keep us safe," Do not question the Governments legitimacy. Do not speak against the Government, do not think against the government.

Obviously it doesn't bother you to support systematic violence, rape and slaughter. But I don't blame you, I'm sure you're a good person, but the organization of government you support is flawed in that they intiate violence.

One day, we will have a government that will not impose their will, through the initiation of force. The citizens are rapidly waking up; you can stay in your dream of an all peaceful world, but peace is NEVER to be achieved through violence!
"We must pursue peaceful ends through peaceful means. In the final analysis, means and ends must cohere because the end is prexistent in the means.”~MLK jr.~

 

All earthly governments are flawed, nobody is claiming to have a cure all here. But I'm pretty sure that few people support systematic violence, rape and slaughter.

But the fact of the matter is, the planet Earth has limited resources, and when you have multiple nations competing for those resources, humans tend to fight other humans whether it's tribe VS tribe in the olden days and in certain parts of Africa today still, or as nation VS nation today.

Also your peace not being achieved through violence comment strikes me as ironic, given that the USA did have to go through a Revolution and the War of 1812 that involved force to get away from tyranny of Great Britain. (So which is it?)

 

Personally, I 'moved on' because I was starting to get angry/rude and we'd already been around that block a couple of times.
Like I said a couple of months ago (I think) - give it a couple of months and you will be repeating the 'you can't protest...' line as if nobody had ever said anything about it to you.
And here we are - so that's when I go...

 

I said "with the initiation of force." Violence can be used to protect oneself. At that time, the Queens troops would beat us for protesting (Simular to today) and it was a gun confiscation attempted by the Queen in 1775, which ignited the Revolution in America! I'm not saying we all need to be Buddha- we just need to want a voluntary society; That means we don't bomb each other for resources, we start trading fairly and stop "redistributing" the resources of the world.

 

I've defended why HR347 is Unconstitutional ("Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech")

It's very clear. Idc if the Bill doesn't say "Thou shalt not protest the all powerful government;" but that's what the bill alludes to. It says anyone distrupting "government activity" around secret service is guilty of a felony.

 

I know what it says.
I know how you interpret it.
I hope to Christ almighty you have figured out how I have interpreted it.
I know exactly how you interpret 'alludes to'.
We've been through it.
I don't really want to go through it again.

 

You obviously don't know any of the above, because if you did you would of course agree with StpLSD.
Silly boy, haven't you figured that out yet?
Anyone who doesn't agree 100% with Stp obviously doesn't understand the issues at all.

 

NoxiousGas

To be fair...

The thing is, I think he has to keep telling himself to convince himself - if that makes sense.
How many times I have heard say something like: 'I know that, but...'
As if allowing himself to accept another reality will make his whole existence crumble.
I'm probably overstating this...
...but he is one of the few people that repeat themselves all of the time.

 

No, to be fair- you don't want to hear what I have to say, because you truly believe Government force is the way to peace. Not even seeing the hypocrisy of supporting violence to defend that alleged "peace."

But As I said, we can't have peace through violence, because violence breeds immorality. I don't need to convince myself! I'm convinced that Non violent cooperation is better than anything the Government/UN has to offer, through violence.

I'm tired of explaining myself to brain dead Liberals, who believe in MORE government (thusly more violence,) But still claim all bad comes from the Republicans!

I'm not surprised the guy from England doesn't know why I'm upset about a bill that effectively bans government protest! Wake up dude! Both of you!

Our government is closer to Orwells 1984 than any government in history. We even have our own version of the thought police, a mindless majority who believes

"War is Peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength."

Good luck in your Matrix.

 

Uhm, he's one of the few who kept asking you to elaborate your theories and asked for proof and sources. You get pissed because you haven't convinced them or delivered the sources that can validate what you were precisely talking about. Just to be fair you know.

 

Alludes to. Effectively. Some people say 'essentially'. To me that means 'not really'

I wasn't talking about you convincing yourself about 'peace'.
Imho, 'government'/UN is 90-95% about peace and diplomacy.
That's why 90-95% of the world communicate through 'government diplomacy'/the UN, and why 90-95% of the world is at relative peace/peace/not at war with each other.
Remember the time this wasn't the case? I wonder why.

 

That's not true! I've posted TONS of sources for HR347, and what it means. I know what the word "alluding" means, but in law we do not allude.

The reason being is because this Bill can be used to punish anyone from protestors, to somebody sneezing in the Middle of Obama's speech- It makes no difference. Just because they haven't used it inappropiately yet, doesn't mean they wont! I've posted sources for everything. Government/Violence sympathizers just don't want to believe it.

 

Exactly.

 

Again, I know what Allude means- I used it intentionally.

How do you figure? Most of the Middle East is not at peace. Some countries in the UN, have no peace or security. Iran has gone along with the UN, but it didn't do them much good once Israel and America decided they're an enemy. Plus didn't you see the transcript of Gaddafi speaking to the UN (Which I posted) He was BEGGING that we start doing things through peace and diplomacy- 6 mos later he was killed by Obama and the UN.

 

StpLSD25

I must have missed the TONS of sources. I mean that in all honesty. The source you used within this thread was a bit flimsy. I don't really think it explained that much.

I'm watching the video from the OP (made in the 70? 80s?)

I wouldn't personally make a leap from allowing abortions to population control.

That's the type of leaps you seem to make.

Well, there have been ample opportunities over the last 30-40 years.
When it is you can say: 'I told you so.'

How many sources have you posted in this thread?

 

I didn't say all.
You are quite welcome to replace my percentage with your own figure.

Is this how a man of peace dresses?



Btw, why is the Church more important than the government?
Remember me saying a lot of this is religious in origin?
That video doesn't convince me it isn't.

 

"I don't really think.." That means in your opinion. (Just like some people don't trust RT) But truthfully, it's alot better than mainstream media that doesn't tell us anything they don't want us to hear.

It's not that old- Ron Paul is in it and he looks just the same!

It's much more than just abortion. It's the fluoride in our water to lower the IQ(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/fluoride_b_2479833.html), GMO's in our food and so much deeper in the policy of our government. They even spray metal particles and chemicals in our air, which cause cancer, to allegedly "combat global warming." (GeoEngineering)

Actaully, no they haven't. HR347 was signed into law by OBAMA last year, so obviously they couldn't do it 40 years ago. PLus our government is always cracking down on protesters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZKfC1OP1S4"]OCCUPY WALL STREET POLICE BRUTALITY COMPILATION - YouTube

I'm not talking about THIS thread; I shouldn't have to keep posting the same sources. I've been here nearly a year and I've been talking about the NDAA, NDRP, CISPA and HR347 the entire time. I'm sick of repeating myself! The fact is, they're never gonna say 'our agenda is population control" but that's why you have to read between the lines.

Even my Dr. here in the US says the government puts stuff in our medication to cause other deceases. She also said that there is definitely a conspiracy going on. I told her I believe they do it for population control and she agreed. Therefore, obviously these views are widely accepted (when I'm not surrounded by Liberals.) But also their policies of war and violence. Most Americans KNOW Iraq, Vietnam, desert storm and, Libya is not justified. But people are too complacent or afraid to contest the powers that be.

 

I think there is no peace in the world. I'm not peaceful because violence is imposed on me for ingesting certain things etc. Peace through force, is not peace! There are so many teenagers as we speak being harrassed by Government because they're culturally different- that's all! The same with 1 million civilians dead in Iraq, was America peaceful to them? And look at what happened because of our intervention; Iraq is full of Al Qaeda today!

His name was "Cornal Gaddafi" what do you expect him to wear? But before he passed he changed his name to "Brother Gaddafi." and he has more peace and corage than any of our elected officials who send drones, bombs and troops to do their bidding.

It didn't say that. It says the Government is trying to take people away from family units and churches so they have more control over them. Idk that I believed all that, but I do believe the government has gone to far with regards to taking away our Human Rights, and the UN supports abolishing Human Rights, replacing them with UN Rights; However, they clearly give room for Governments to violate our human Rights.

This is totally contrary to the American principles "Congress shall make NO law"