US out of the UN

People can disagree; but conversation rather than insults like yours, work toward the betterment of this country.

How am I ill informed? What am I missing about your amazing Liberalism/communism? What do I have wrong, Mr. know-it-all? All I advocate is less government and more freedom..

Okay, scum bag listen- You advocate the use of violence to ANYONE who does not agree 100% with the current system. You claim there's a better way than what I say but offer no viable alternative. And you're scared if someone like me came into power? I advocate total non violence and a government who leaves people alone- it's a hell of alot better than what we have! so Email me, for real, EatUhDique@yahoo.com

You can try to say I attack people, but I don't. I offer a viable alternative; When I am insulted, I will insult back. Other than that I'm open to conversations- it's the Political Status Quo that has caused this mess (your mother government) Not Mine! My type of government said freedom comes from God/the fact we are human- NOT FROM GOVERNMENT.

So with all that said, I have legitimate views, with purpose and principle backing them. This Revolution is of the mind, and I'm convinced people will wake up as the government loses credibility. (takes more Amendments from us)

What is your alt? Take away the constitution (like we are) and FORCE people to obey arbitrary laws, which they don't morally agree with?

Yeah, that's why we're here now. Bowing down to the almighty government.

Please dude, converse or stop talking shit!

 

and yet again you are filling your head with all kinds of ideas and notions about my political leanings and what I do or don't support based on what??????????

You are still putting me into some convenient little box solely because I don't agree completely with you, so now I'm a proponent of Liberal communism??

It's pointless to "converse" with you, as Odon and others have pointed out, mainly because YOU do NOT listen to what others are saying.

But I'm gonna still check in for a laugh now and again.

:lurk5:

 

You've not said anything to me but insults. And you've been doing it since I've gotten here. I've asked for your opinion and you refuse to tell me; However, I do agree with you on some issues, but what am I supposed to do when you attack me indirectly? You don't even ask questions to let me explain, only insults. I've asked you for your views, you've not asked for mine, you've not liked me since I've been here, and every so often I need to deal with this little girl on her period insults just because you don't like my views, but there are plenty who do. (You said yourself that my views scare you)

So again, it's not me who isn't willing to converse, it's you. You use fear mongering tactics to scare people from Libertarianism, but offer no viable alternative.

 

Emphasis..

 

Your views don't scare me, it's your inability to understand that other people may not agree with you, but that does not mean they are automatically on the "other side" that is scary. That essentially renders YOU unreceptive to any type of change of attitude or opinion, yet you can't fathom why we all don't just leap to your cause.
This has been demonstrated various times and pointed out by many others, you evade when the facts don't agree with your philosophies or claims.

I don't need to interact and dialogue with you directly about the topics, you put your ideas and opinions out there rather plainly and the couple of times I did respond with dialogue, you hurl insults and start calling me or other posters a member of this or that political party or a mindless drone blindly supporting the government.

You know I NEVER said anything that could be construed as such, nor have most others here, I just didn't completely agree with you or buy into your worldview.

THERE'S A BIIIIG DIFFERENCE.

Your mentality scares me because it is completely black or white, us or them, very totalitarian in it's fundamental assessment of things.
People like you are a threat not because of what you are proposing, but rather the manner in which you go about it.
It's the mentality of "either with us or against us" that scares me.
That is one of the seeds of fascism.

The most noble intentions can get skewed into the most evil forms of oppression, and often it is a mentality such as you exhibit that is the turning point and subsequent justification.

One other reason I take a smart-assed approach is because you don't want solutions or answers, you just want to place blame and bitch.

You are ringing a bell that the youth of humanity have been ringing since the first smoldering of civilization.
Nothing really new here, just different names, dates and places.

 

My 2 cent...

One e.g (and I can post a couple more if you wish) might be that you said teaching the constitution has been pulled from schools over the last 20 years.
I have not seen you acknowledge that you were wrong/ill-informed.
It isn't major things as far as I can tell, it's minor points, but they collectively make it seem like you just make stuff up or just say what a couple of people have told you while having a smoke out side (not based on actual events before you focus on that detail).
Instead of holding your hands up, and saying: 'Ok, that isn't right' - you will just evade that and start saying things like:
'What am I missing about your amazing Liberalism/communism? '
'All I advocate is less government and more freedom..'
As far as I can tell, at this point nobody is questioning you on those points.
But you evade, and turn the conversation to something else - internationally or unintentionally.
That or you'll just say the same wrong thing sometime in the future.
We all makes mistakes and if you think there is an air of hypocrisy feel free to point things out.
Don't start calling me a Liberal Obama loving government loving etc etc ettc blah blah blah, and then go off on some rant about something completely different.
Does this make sense to you?

Where did he say this: ' You advocate the use of violence to ANYONE who does not agree 100% with the current system. You claim there's a better way than what I say but offer no viable alternative. And you're scared if someone like me came into power?'
You are evading.

I think a few ground rules are trying to be placed forward first.

 

okay hold on, I'm gonna reply to both of you totally, and be extra careful not to miss anything that could be construed as me "not listening."

 

I disagree. I try to show relative, credible sources to the conversation (I'm not posting Alex Jones all over the place!)I just think the issues are much deeper than most people (in politics generally.) I am sorry I insulted you (when I first came here) But I have tried to bring up a dialogue with you since I said I was sorry for all that, and you said it was okay, but you still hate me. I've been working on taking everyone's opinion into account, not insulting people etc. But it's hard when my philosophy goes to the gut of this country, and those same people get insulted and hateful due to blind ignorance just for me typing words. It's an opinion, it's just opinion. We have the First Amendment to say controversial things, no one is obligated to agree. Imho Our previous generations have sold us into slavery, and the only way to reverse that trend is to change the Role of government when it comes to the individual. It saddens me though that Liberals want freedom to do whatever drugs, but want to impose force for other purposes. Most current government ideologies are like that. Furthermore, the government is corrupt to the core. If we believe in the same issues, or even if you disagree, I am willing to talk. I would like to converse with people who want to fix the problems facing this nation. Screw the world, let them do their own thing, unless they threaten us.

You're talking about when I first got here; I posted some laws that I believed violated the Constitution. I remember you and I arguing, and I also remember saying I was sorry. If I didn't then I am saying it now, I'm truly sorry man. I do admit, sometimes I let my emotions get the better of me, (as some have also pointed out,) and I'm sorry for that too. But you can't harp on that even as I'm saying sorry adding to your rep, I mean you said we were good, then I guess you decided to join the lynch mob rather than conversing about it.


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Honestly, in a way I feel like you've not been listening to me. Fascism isn't less government, fascism is always inadvertently big, to control more people. So the very argument that my views can turn into fascism is probable (because it's happening already) our Checks and balances broke, so I advocate going back before that time; it may lead to fascism in 250 years, but it's better than the fascism we already have. I hate that I have labeled people unfairly, but then in some cases, I am justified. (The second Amendment topic) I just think it's nieve to assume we're gonna vote and make it all better, because it is the governments initiative to hold unto power, and they're not willing to advance with basic human rights, or even follow their own laws. That is overboard, and that's all I'm saying

But I'm chatting with a girl now so Odon II I'll get you back first thing tomo

 

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That's not correct, I stated I wasn't taught the Constitution in school, nor are most high school kids I've spoken to. I said maybe Monk Jr. was taught the Constitution, (I'm sure alot of it depends on the school/area one's in/

Yeah, it does, and I'm sorry to you aswell if I misjudged you. I try to answer every question, there was a few that I didn't address (usuallu cause there's alot going on, but if you repost questions when I don't answer them, I def will the second time around. I'm not evading anything; it's basic philosophical differences. Moreover, I used to be a Liberal myself, so it isn't them I don't like, it's the philosophy. But whenever I show hypocrisies of Liberalism, people get mad at me, insult me and, evade my points totally. So I'm not the only one who does that. But idk what you are politically, I admit. I'm just passionate because this government lies to us, takes our rights, kills/harrasses citizens everyday, and there is no force that can protect us from them, but ourselves.

• gov·ern
  
  /ˈgəvərn/
  Verb
• Conduct the policy, actions, and affairs of (a state, organization, or people).
  
  Control, influence, or regulate (a person, action, or course of events).
  
  
  Support for government, is support for control of others; A majority of government policies are used to spy on citizens, arrest non violent drug offenders, kill civilians home/away, waste our money and, undermine our freedom. That is certainly not the Role of government; so if you don't agree we need less government, it means you either think the government is "fine," and you can deal with it through your life, or you think we need to add more government. However, I'd be willing to be willing to bet that more government and over-taxation, would/will collapse this Nation from the inside out, (if we don't take steps to live within our means.)
  
  i'm not unwilling to listen to ideas; But when one introduces force or coercion to one's philosophy, I understand that's inherently wrong, whether done by one man, or a million votes- it makes no difference.

 

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I mean really, this doesn't come close to saying, "most high school kids I've spoken to." You clarified that later after the veracity of the statement was called into question. Perhaps you meant the former originally, but some people might think you are being disingenuous and such missteps call your credibility into question. Not trying to be a jerk here, just letting you know. Sweeping declarative statements should really be made with the utmost care.

EDIT: It really would be better if you just admitted when you made a mistake.

 

I don't see how this could happen. I mean nwo would mean all one country right?

 

You FIRST said: 'In the process of those 20 years, they pulled the Constitution out of the schools, and our freedoms away from us.'
Then when monkjr said: 'They still teach The Constitution in school, and I myself was in high school less than 7 years ago and still have my US history tests around.. I posted the curriculum in one of the states you lived in.
Now it's gone from: 'In the process of those 20 years, they pulled the Constitution out of the schools.' to: 'I'm sure alot of it depends on the school/area one's in/'?

Where did he say this: ' You advocate the use of violence to ANYONE who does not agree 100% with the current system. You claim there's a better way than what I say but offer no viable alternative. And you're scared if someone like me came into power?'

 

yeah here at my school our history/government teacher is very pro constitution, he even gives us pocket versions of it

 

While the U.S. Constitution may continue to remain a school subject, the interpretation of the words contained seem to have changed quite a lot since I was schooled 6 decades ago.

 

lol well we interpret it very pro gun at every aspect, as well as very pro free speech and all of the constitutional amendments

 

I didn't learn anything about the Constitution in school. Yes, the reason being is because richer students typically get a better education and more help from their teachers; I know I wasn't taught the Constitution (but then that may explain why only 2% of my high school class went on to college.)

 

What really matters is how it is interpreted by our elected representatives, and the appointed Federal judges especially those appointed to the Supreme court.

 

Okay, but you get the main point about why myself and a handful of other people have taken issue with your credibility and why it's hard to believe the NWO exists.

You've shown a pattern of saying an opinion/belief statement (you're entitled to this) but then you make a broad statement(s) that is probably an over generalization fallacy and use that as "proof" to support the overall theory/belief you have in the NWO because of what a lot of us view as you perceiving tyranny upon the Constitution.

In some cases, I'd be willing to bet that lots of us would agree on corruption happening between government and certain private sector corporations because the lobbyist industry twists politician's arms, and bribes them, and disproportionately funds their campaigns during election years. The motivation most of us think is most logical to explain this is pure greed for money (probably for quarterly profits in the case of corporations).


At this point we break in agreement with you because you take it a step further to say they're part of this elitist group that is trying to kill/enslave us deliberately, as part of some agenda that the UN is the head of.

You also go on to imply, that democrats and republicans are in on this together, and so I'm left wondering if you are trying to tell us that their animosity towards the other party (gridlock in Congress for example) is all an act.

Also I personally know that history, has shown that both Democratic and Republican parties have historically been very similar parties and for the most part pro-business throughout ALL of America's history.


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I should also add, that what will destroy the dollar faster than inflation is the fact that the gridlock in Congress holds "debt ceiling" legislation votes hostage, destroying the reputation for the USA to pay it's bills.

If that happens it's gonna be chaos, because the US Dollar is the base currency in which all other world currencies are measured against. This fact makes it hard to understand WHY the UN and IMF would even want a one world currency in a one world government.

(Also unanswered: why would China go along with a one world government?)

To make one (a one world currency/government) is way to complicated, and we saw a bit of that in how the efficacy/value of the Euro was endangered by recent riots in Greece, and the economic instability of Spain, Portugal, and Italy.

 

I could see china wanting to go along with a one world government, and same gos for every other country...if its them who is running it.