i have grown tired of my tax dollars being used to fund someone else's religious wars on humanity regardless what religion they profess to represent. (thank god you have legions of religious fanatics around the globe ready to give money and effort to a cause that ultimately hates them.)
Yeah, ALL of your tax dollars goes to the evil jews and everyone else right? NONE of it goes to the infrastructure and roads that you depend on, not a single penny, right? Soemtimes these threads get so fucked up and full of people who say weird ass shit i can't help but ask myself what the fuck you guys are smoking. maybe it's the government, they are spraying chemicals on you so you will be a bunch of fucking crazy ass conspiracy theorists! Watch out, it's a CONSPIRACY!!!! The Mushroom Man
WHY do you support the state of Israel? it hardly means they are NOT brainwashed. the bottom line is it's a artificial state that was founded on behalf of terrorists such as the stern gang. who by the way offered to take up arms with Adolf Hitler's side. to prove how brainwashed Israel's supporters are all you have to do is turn on your tv any sunday morning and watch the likes of John Hagee and the rest of Zion's lap poodles talk about how they think Israel is more important than even their own home country of America is. though i do think that America is also an artificial state. but unlike Israel, America did away with racial segregation many years ago.
There is a zionist agenda at work in the US, but I will caution you that only a tiny number of Jews subscribe to it. It is unfair to say all Jews are dirtied by it. x
The zionist threat didn't exist until a little over a 100 years ago. It has become the surrogate mother of Judaism and is now protected by these orphans it speaks for. The kids don't know any better. Its all they've ever known. x
i object to billions of dollars being used to promote de facto concentration camps and weapons to kill the occupants of said concentration camps and anyone else they see fit to kill. its all gone quiet hasn't it iran was being talked up then it was talked down now its gone quiet in the upper echelons they are not sure if they should attack or not. the only way to know for sure of what is being planned is too see where military forces are being moved to. negotiations are over because the iranians understood that "negotiations" wouldn't do them any good. it would be better to go down fighting than watching their women and children being wiped out without having at least some defensive measures to limit the destruction. with france now "on line" since the recent election it wouldn't be surprising to see french troops being used in an attack on iran and the holy land. you have to understand that from the viewpoint of the religious fanatic that all non believers must be wiped out from the "holyland" or at least made into very good slaves. hitler had a similar dream for russia against the "untermenschen" of the slavic races , problem was that these untermenschen had come up with much better tanks and firepower than hitler could muster, so he lost. this is the danger of believing your own propaganda. maybe some of those learned preachers in america can get their rifle and get over to iraq to do jehovah's work - ahhh but they never do, do they? christianity is a middle eastern religion, america is fighting in the middle eat because they have a religion and ruling class that seeks to do the work of the religious classes.
The reason Iran has fallen out of the picture is due to the current trouble with Russia and Georgia. Russia's vote is needed to cement further sanctions against Iran. With the US and Russia at odds, this has been put on hold until the dust settles. x
As for the racial segregation thing, the different races in America were not constantly blowing themselves up all over the place simply because they hate someone for such an artificial reason as religion. You can't call all people who support Israel brainwashed just because a few people think it is more important than their own country. I support the state of Israel because they are being attacked and are defending themselves in the same way any rational country would, that is why. Whether or not it was right for Israel to be created is beyond the point at this time. Israel may have been founded in part for people such as the Stern Gang, but it was founded mostly for the millions of Jews who were displaced during the holocaust. You seem like one well versed in history, so you do know that sine the beginning of their religion, Jews have been persecuted mainly for no other reason than they were Jewish. Yeah, it is a stupid reason to kill someone, huh? Fuck, why you would kill anyone just because of religion is beyond me. Fact is, Jews have been chased, prodded, killed, expelled, pretty much everything since their religion began, so having a homeland is probably a good idea. Just think for a minute about something: You are wearing a red shirt at school, and you are the first person to wear a red shirt since your school opened. A bunch of kids with blue shirts come and chase you away from where you usually sit. Then, at your new spot, a bunch of kids with green shirts chase you away. This goes on for a really, REALLY long time, then you finally decide to go to the park and hang out. Then, some other people who are at the park with yellow shirts on start throwing rocks and shit at you. What would you do? Would you just say "ah, well it was wrong for me to hang out in the park?" I know the middle east isn't a park, but you seem smart enough to get the analogy. I'm just saying that their reactions to what is/has been happening for hundreds of years seems reasonable to me. No, it is not because I am brainwashed, it is because it is reasonable. If the fucking Nazis were in the same situation, I would side with them, and I fucking hate the Nazis. The Mushroom Man
I don't think they've been killed for just being Jewish, they've been killed because they are the opressor. I think religion has less to do with this than the act of greed and in this case its greed for land.
You are correct. Zionism plays the race card. Anytime you call a group of religious followers a people, you're courting trouble. That why Israel as a "Jewish" state is unacceptable to me. I would consider the usual aid to a foreign country, but to continue feeding an addict like zionist Israel is to contribute to our own downfall in time. US aid should cease until they're willing to drop this Jewish supremacist ideaology. One Israel. One people. x
Seven year old children who have been killed by suicide bombs are oppressors? 15 year old girls on their way into the grocery store are oppressors? I don't think so. I'm not going to say that anyone is right here, it's a terrible situation, one that will unfortunately probably not resolve itself in our lifetimes. I do feel the need to say, having recently spent time in Israel, that they are not oppressors. The Israelis are trying to survive, just like the Palestinians, and there are those on both sides who want, more than anything, peace. Israel was formed by the U.N., and yes, as a direct result of the holocaust. The jews have inhabited Israel far longer than anyone else, and have been forced out, by the Babylonians, the Romans, and on and on. I don't know what's right here, and I won't pretend to, but I do think that the jews deserve even a little bit of a place to belong, and for now, for better or worse, Israel is that place. This will (I'm sure) get ripped to shreds, and I'm sure I will be called all kind of names, and that's fine, have your opinions. All I'm going to say is that I'm a jew, and I love Israel, and I pray every single day that they will know peace, not only for the jews, but for everyone who lives there and loves the land.
I know you said you are not choosing sides, but I just want to say this is a very well put post that has a lot of good facts. She got what I missed, thanks! The Mushroom Man
Well written... but I'm sorry but I'm not going to absorb your sympathy vote. You talk about 7-year olds dying to suicide bombers, you're right they do, but ask yourself why? You seen on the other side of the coin (or should that be wall???) you have Israeli soldiers and its airforce doing the same damn thing to the Palestinians. You know damn well I'm talking about the Israeli airforce and its government as oppressors so using young children as red herrings is just absurd I'm afraid. The Israeli's have been killing livelihoods just as much if not more so than Palestinians. Yep I agree Jews in Israel have a right to live in peace, just as much as the Palestinians did and the people before them did. I also pray for the same thing so nah, I won't be ripping you or anything to shreds. Of course you saw no oppresion in Israel, because the oppresion is happening upon the Palestinians, the Israeli's must be living in great harmony whilst the neighbours are blindfolded and beaten. But like you said peace would be the only winner in this and i think and hope itis achievable. I'd like to see both Abrahamic believers to use their similarities to overcome the greed and power trips. I mean I love the fact that the Israeli's have built settlements, not so happy that it was at somebody elses expense though and the manner it was taken with little compensation or sympathy. I think the Israeli's should certainly be allowed to stay there but have some empathy for their neighbours and remember the position they were in less than a century ago whilst residing in your Europe. Long live Israel but lets allow the Palestinians to live just as long as they have being doing prior to the new occupiers...
Lets’ get the facts right! [/COLOR] The land was called Judea before Rome’s Emperor Hadrian renamed the land Palestine. Human settlement in Judea stretches back to the Stone Age and the region is believed by paleoanthropologists to have been one of the routes through which Homo sapiens travelled out of Africa to colonize the rest of the world around 100,000 years ago. Archaeological evidence of human settlement dates back 11,000 years in the case of the city of Jericho, believed to be the oldest continuously inhabited settlement in the world. In historic times, the region was inhabited by a number of peoples, most famously the Israelites. Judea is central to much of the narrative of the Torah, with the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob said to have been buried at Hebron in the Tomb of the Patriarchs. Judea was ruled by the Kingdom of Judah, a client kingdom of Persia, and later the Seleucid dynasty of Greece who were eventually expelled from the region by Judas Maccabeus. The Maccabean family established the Hasmonean dynasty of Kings who ruled in Judea for over a century. Roman conquest; Judea lost its independence to the Romans in the 1st century BCE, by becoming first a tributary kingdom, then a province, of the Roman Empire. The Romans had allied themselves to the Maccabees and interfered again in 63 BCE, following the end of the Third Mithridatic War, when general Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus stayed behind to make the area secure for Rome. Queen Alexandra Salome had recently died, and a civil war broke out between her sons, Hyrcanus II and Aristobulus II. Pompeius restored Hyrcanus but political rule passed to the Herodian family, first as procurators and later as client kings. Eventually, the Jews rose against Roman rule in 66 CE in a revolt that was unsuccessful. Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 CE and much of the population was killed or enslaved. Solomon's Temple, also known as the First Temple, was, according to the Bible, the first temple of the ancient religion of the biblical Israelites in Jerusalem. Completed in the 10th century BC, it was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BC. The reconstructed temple in Jerusalem, which stood between 516 BC and 70 AD, was the Second Temple. In 130 AD, Emperor of Rome, Hadrian visited the ruins of Jerusalem, in Judaea, left after the First Roman-Jewish War of 66–73 AD. He promised to rebuild the city, but in doing so renamed it Aelia Capitolina after both himself and Jupiter Capitolinus, the chief Roman deity. A new temple dedicated to the worship of Jupiter was also built on the ruins of the old Jewish Second Temple, which had been destroyed in 70 AD In addition, Hadrian abolished circumcision, which was considered by Romans and Greeks as a form of bodily mutilation and hence "barbaric". These anti-Jewish policies of Hadrian triggered in Judaea a massive Jewish uprising, led by Simon bar Kokhba and Akiba ben Joseph. Following the outbreak of the revolt, Hadrian called his general Sextus Julius Severus from Britain, and troops were brought from as far as the Danube. Roman losses were very heavy, and it is believed that an entire legion, the XXII Deiotariana was destroyed. Indeed, Roman losses were so heavy that Hadrian's report to the Roman Senate omitted the customary salutation "I and the legions are well". However, Hadrian's army eventually put down the rebellion in 135, after three years of fighting. According to Cassius Dio, during the war 580,000 Jews were killed, 50 fortified towns and 985 villages razed. According to the Babylonian Talmud, after the war Hadrian continued the persecution of Jews. He attempted to root out Judaism, which he saw as the cause of continuous rebellions, prohibited the Torah law, the Hebrew calendar and executed Judaic scholars. The sacred scroll was ceremonially burned on the Temple Mount. In an attempt to erase the memory of Judaea, he renamed the province Syria Palaestina (after the Philistines), and Jews were forbidden from entering its rededicated capital.
I agree with you on that, wholeheartedly. What the government has done to the bedouins is really terrible. Their way of life is dying out and it's a horrible thing to see. I do have to say though, that the Israeli army isn't as bad as it's portrayed most of the time. All armies do things that are inhumane, without fail, but for the most part the Israelis try very hard. I had the opportunity to spend 5 days with 8 Israeli soldiers, and yes, it's of course one side of the coin, and I'm sure that had I spent time on the other side I would feel differently, but the thing to remember I think is that it's not a faceless blob of atrocities, it's individual people, most of whom have friends or family who have been killed by terrorists. One of the soldiers, who I was fortunate enough to meet, had her father kidnapped and murdered when she was very young. Like I said, there is no right or wrong, or even good answer. I just think that it's important to remember that everyone involved is a person, with hopes and dreams and families, we're not talking about abstract things here, on either side.
