US and Israel

Still attacking the messenger I see.

I make people uncomfortable about the things I talk about. And the fact that it meets with such resistance means it NEEDS to be talked about.

Attack me all you want. My tune never changes. I do what I do from a spiritual standpoint. I AM my brother's keeper. I have no other motivations and need nobody's authority to be such.

To continue...

I object to the nation of Israel using my taxpayer dollars to commit atrocities againt the Arab populations of Israel.

I object to ANY nation being founded for the sake of a religion and it's followers. That's all Israel is.

There is no such thing as a "Jewish" race or people. And what is in place for a government represents a supremacist movement and not the people themselves. There is no more democracy in Israel than there is in the USA. Zionists are running both countries, and they only bow to public opinion when they have to.

My job is to ensure the citizens of both nations understand what zionism is, what it's intentions are, and how it will affect their future.

Either help or stay out of my way.


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Nagh man, just taking the piss for taking the piss sake.
Feel free to do the same to me.

Not me pal, I don't care what you spout anymore.
Just adding a little light humour to proceedings.

That is your biggest problem right there.

 

xexon, you write to us, "either help or stay out of my way". We could say the same to you on some of the issues.

And what you write doesn't necessarily make people "uncomfortable" so much as it is annoying to read someone who has such a lopsided anti-Israel, anti-American ideology on Mid-East and world political issues.
(as if other countries and people, including the Islamic fascists who are killing many innocent people of other religions and moderates of their own religion, aren't a problem).
You are just a little guy on a website who doesn't have much influence or much credibility.

And like Odon, I don't much care what you believe.

Fortunately, you don't run anything, you just write some lopsided stuff on a messageboard. Dime a dozen radical anti-Israel, anti-American stuff. Nothing exceptional.

True, there is no "Jewish race", most Jews are Caucasions, but there is a Jewish ethnic group, in the same way there is an Irish ethnic group in Ireland, or a Bulgarian ethnic group in Bulgaria, there are people who identify with being Jewish, (whether they are ethnically "pure" or not, or whether they are religious or not), just as there is people who identify with being Irish or Bulgarian.
People, to varying degrees, still identify with being a part of a race, ethnic group, etc..

And xexon, are you still planning on moving from the America, because it is the "great Satan", (as you wrote on pages 6 and 7 on this thread), and it is a bad country run by nasty people who are supposedly nasty "Zionists"? You never answered that question, whether or not you are moving from America.

As far as "attacking the messenger", people have a right to disagree with your posts as they do anyone else's.
You aren't exactly the best "messenger" anyway. I've read much better on this and other websites.

 

Israel continues to get several billion US taxpayer dollars despite the fact we continously catch them spying on us. It goes back decades.

http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_05_07/article.html

http://www.wrhlive.com/motherofallscandals.html

We probably pay for this activity with our own money. But we don't HAVE to.

We need to end this. We need to crush apartheid Israel like we crushed apartheid South Africa. And for the same reason. Then, we'll talk about a friendship. Not this Jekyll & Hyde sodomy festival it is today.

Until the Israelites kill zionism, they will NEVER know peace. And because we support them, neither shall we.




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xexon, so you are the Destroyer of Worlds. lol!
How silly, you are like a little kid xexon, such immaturity.
And you say you are a grown man. A grown man would not refer to himself as "xexon, the destroyer of worlds!", and post stupid biased cartoons, like you do. A grown man, if he writes on a board like this, would debate points with others on the boards, which you usually don't do.

Xexon, I don't believe you are a grown man, I believe you are in the 15-18 year old age group, you seem more like a teenaged kid who has been told some stuff about Jews and Israel, and you are not mature enough to understand that the problems of the Mid-East are complex, and not always the Jews or Israel's fault.

For example, Israel gives the Gaza back to the Palestinians. and then the Hamas leadership of the Palestinians, almost immediately, launches rockets into Israel.
That really helps the peace process.

And the South Africa analogy is silly.
The Blacks in South Africa never indicated very often that they would try and kill off the Whites of South Africa, and didn't try and wipe out the Whites of that country, like the radical Arab Muslims and some of the Palestinian groups like Hamas are trying to kill off the Jews of Israel. The Arab Muslim extremists have said many times that they want to kill off the Jews of Israel, and drive the Jews into the sea.
The Arab extremists are not just against the Israeli government, they are like Nazi Germany, they want to kill off the Jews, and drive them into the sea. They say that, and they try and do that. Obviously that makes a huge difference compared to South Africa, regardless of some similarities.
Also, the U.N. and the international community never mandated a two state solution with South Africa, like they did with Israel and the Palestinians.

Xexon, you aren't very convincing, everyone knows your agenda, by your silly immature cartoons on your posts, by what you write on your posts, and by your extremist radical links, not to mention the fact that you won't debate people or answer their questions.

.....and why is it that you never answer anyone's questions or debate points? You just post more tired, old, worn-out, anti-Israel links and rhetoric, (which indicates lack of intelligence or courage, or both, if you can't answer people's questions to you or debate points and just post more rhetoric and links). So you don't have much credibility.

xexon, you also need to grow up a little.
Obviously most of the problems Muslims have, and most of the problems of the Mid-East are not all Israel's fault. Any intelligent person would understand that.
The Mid-East has had much conflict going back to the 700s A.D.. Mohammed himself was a warrior, and led armies to spread Islam.

Every conflict in the Mid-East, (much less the rest of the world) is not the fault of Israel. Obviously.
The conflict between Hamas and moderate Palestinians are not Israel's fault, they are doing it to themselves. The conflict between the Shia Muslims and the Suni Muslims are not Israel's fault, they are doing it to themselves. The Algerian civil war was not Israel's fault. The oppression of the Iranian people by their own Islamic fascist government is not Israel's fault. The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is just one small part of the Mid-East's problems.

Xexon,
I have never met anyone in my life, not even Muslims or Neo-Nazis, who are as obsessive about Jews, Israel, and Zionists as you are.
Out of the many bad people and bad governments in the world, who kill far more people, and do far more harm, than Jews or Zionists could do, how come you have developed such a bizarre fascination and political fetish about Jews and Israel?
You seem to write or care about little else.
Jews and Zionists, Jews and Zionists, Jews and Zionists, Jews and Zionists, Jews and Zionists, Jews and Zionists, Jews and Zionists, I guess that is all Xexon is concerned with in life. That is all he ever writes about.
Xexon, are you sure you are human, or are you just a robot, that posts rhetoric and links about Jews and Zionists, Jews and Zionists, Jews and Zionists.
Do you have any other interests, do you care about anything else?

You live out there somewhere in the pacific northwest U.S., far from the Mid-East, yet you are obessive about the Jews in the Mid-East.
How did you ever get that way?
No seriously, I wonder how you got that way, so obessive about one small group of people in a far off land?

And yes, the U.S. government gives Israel and the moderate Arab countries like Egypt and Jordan some money, but that money is such a small fraction of 1% of the U.S. taxpayer's dollars, and most Americans are sympathetic to Israel and the moderate Muslim countries like Egypt and Jordan anyway.

xexon, the only thing you write much about is Jews and Israel.
I don't believe even Hitler or Goebels were as obsessive about Jews as you are.
xexon, do you have any other interest in life other than Jews and Israel?
Are you married, do you have any children, do you have any friends, any hobbies, any other political interests, do go to school, do you work?

Xexon, this time, have enough integrity and courage, and be mature enough and grown up enough, to answer some of my questions.
And please don't post any more of your radical anti-Israel links. No one is reading them anymore, they know your agenda, and those links are getting redundant and boring.
Sincerely Xexon, be courageous enough, have the integrity, and be grown up enough, to answer my questions.
Maybe then people will consider you a grown up, not a punk teenaged kid with an agenda.

 

We'll first examine who in our government gets money from pro Israeli groups.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-June_2008/0805050.html

And now a breakdown of the cost to you, the taxpayer.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_israel.html


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lol!
You are like a robot Xexon.
You can't answer questions or debate points, you just post more links, and stupid biased cartoons with negative caricatures of hooknosed Jews that you must get off of the radical leftist or Neo-Nazi websites.
You are either an immature leftist radical kid, or some weird pathetic old Neo-Nazi loser that wastes his life worrying about Israel and Jews, when there are much more serious problems that America has to deal with.
I am not sure which you are, but your posts are redundant and boring.
And since you can't answer questions or debate points, you are useless to have any sort of internet discussion with.

You won't get your way either, since both the Democrats and the Republicans are strongly supportive of both Israel and the moderate Arab countries.

 

Yet, you come back for more.

I have more.


http://antiisrael.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html

http://www.nimn.org/files/TheWall.pdf

Enough of history. Stop US aid to Israel.

And when the people find out where the money goes, it will stop.



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No actually I don't come back for more. I have had enough of your obsession with Jews and Israel, your simplistic, lopsided understanding of the problems of the Mid-East, and the stupidity of your posts and lnks. Goodbye to you punk.

 

Goodbye, BlondeAndy.

Have one for the road. http://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Peace-Apartheid-Jimmy-Carter/dp/0743285026


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Oh, your sig speaks a lot. It also says you are a liar, Xexon. A liar? Why do I say that?

No one who is an antagonist like you, supporting violence, hatred and animosity meditates. They can sit, and they can rest, and relax, but they are not meditating.

BlondeAngela is right also, you are a biggot. And a pretender, and a liar. You are now on ignore. Your credibility has just went flush down the toilet along with all the other dung you spew (and not from your ass).

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I made a reference some weeks ago about my "sockpuppet" pushing buttons that need to be pushed.

The situation in Gaza is grave. The situation is Gaza is a direct result of the United States looking the other way like it always does where Israel is concerned. This is well documented and a matter of historical fact. It runs for decades. It continues with financial and military support from the US.

Had this been any other country, We would be relentless in our condemnation of it. But since it's Israel, we must instead tell the world about those nasty Muslims and their efforts to take over the world instead. Israel is the innocent victim as usual.

I call things as I see them.

I have no regrets towards who it is either. If you are harming my brothers and sisters around the world, you will be called out. I don't care if you're Jewish or not. I don't care about anything that petty. If you qualify as a human being, that's all I need to condemn you for your actions.

I call out my own government and my own people when they do the same. I call out the government of Israel and the Israelites for their actions because thats what I see.

Its been hidden long enough. The public needs to know whats going on between our two nations. I intend to see that they do.

Disagree with what I say all you want, but when you attack my person, you've lost sight of the subject matter and decended into the programming that has hamstrung free speech in this country and this forum.

You can't say anything bad about the Jews. Even if they're guilty.

What a perfect place for zionism to hide.


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Sockpuppet says in post 48 & 49:
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?p=4499919#post4499919

Now maybe you'll all understand how I've pushed your buttons the past few weeks. Intentionally. I used the term "sockpuppet" to make this post easy to find later.

I wanted to find out who exactly was racist on this forum. Now I know. So does everyone else.

I'll still rally against zionism. That hasn't changed at all.

Its something people still need an education about.



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This is an excellent compilation of how the US favors Israel from a historical perspective. It's a good read.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/39/the-us-publics-pro-israel-history

Now, how does one get to be so favored in the US? Advertising.

While there are legitimate reasons to like Israel, most public opinion here is herded where it needs to go. It is done so by a media which is now mostly owned by a few people who view Israel with a high amount of favoritism.

When you explore other news sources around the world who are outside of this corporate control, they paint a decidedly different picture of Israel than what we see here in the states.

We in the US get a sanitized, corporate approved version of the news. This is a direct result of our affiliation with Israel and the bias that exists within our domestic media.

The best way to get around this is the internet. Prove it for yourselves. Don't be like the others who call me names. Get out there and research. You're going to see arguments from both sides (for a change), its up to you to glean what you can from it.

A few news links from around the world to get you started.

http://www.wrmea.com/links/index.htm

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/default.asp




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lol!
Most of those news sources on the links that Xexon posted are from the United States!
I guess we do have variety in our media! It isn't just controlled by the "Jewish Zionists"!

There is no conspiracy running American media. They are a business. At their best (at least on occasion), they do some good journalism, but they also need to make money.
The media is mainly interested in putting out what sells and what gets them ratings. Too much of that perhaps.
If the "mainstream media" of cable tv has any flaw it is that it focuses too much on trivia, fluff, and sensationalism that alot of people seem to like (even me sometimes) to get ratings; such as who the Hollywood stars are dating, which baseball player just got a big new contract or is taking steroids, Britney Spear's new haircut, or Paris Hilton's new dress, etc.
Or else the media focuses too much on the "political horse race" aspect of politics rather than looking more in-depth at the issues. Some cable tv has better journalism that others. The quality varies.

Americans do however have a wide variety of news sources; on tv, radio, newspapers and internet websites (some better than others obviously), and most of them don't just favor the Jews or Israel.
For example, many in the mainstream media have been critical of Israel putting more settlements on the West Bank. Just as the mainstream media is critical of Islamic fascists who do bombings of innocent people, or Hamas shooting rockets from Gaza into Israel.
Most of them understand, unlike Xexon, that the problems of the Mid-East are complex and difficult and not just the fault of one side or the other. There is plenty of blame to go around in the Mid-East.

 

The sad truth is xexon is here because not many people think like him
So he feels special spouting all his bollocks here
If he was as keen on stopping the things he says he would be on other forums that debate these issues
The truth is is his views are idiotic he is a small shrimp in the grand scheme of things
He feels like a big man here rather than the small insignificant arse he is
I suggest putting him on ignore and listening to the more inteligent people that speak about the issues he does

 

Odon, I agree.

 

The following paper brought an uncomfortable gaze upon the Israeli lobby in the US. It illustrates better than I can the extent Israel is involved in our government.

An qoute from "The Israel Lobby" by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt:

"Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing that given to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct economic and military assistance since 1976, and is the largest recipient in total since World War Two, to the tune of well over $140 billion (in 2004 dollars). Israel receives about $3 billion in direct assistance each year, roughly one-fifth of the foreign aid budget, and worth about $500 a year for every Israeli. This largesse is especially striking since Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to that of South Korea or Spain."

We need to ask why this is continuing. You need to write your representatives and ask why. Its YOUR money, fellow citizens.

The full paper:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html



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Another qoute from a paper describing many things. Including the early days of Israel.

"Therefore in conclusion, what is my recommendation to America? Quickly. First, avoid extremes of double standards. If you're going to practice double standards, you will be paid with double standards. Don't use it. Don't condone Israeli terror, Pakistani terror, Nicaraguan terror, El Salvadoran terror, on the one hand, and then complain about Afghan terror or Palestinian terror. It doesn't work. Try to be even-handed. A superpower cannot promote terror in one place and reasonably expect to discourage terrorism in another place. It won't work in this shrunken world. Do not condone the terror of your allies.

It's a good read. From the gentle Quakers, no less.

http://www.quaker.org/chestnuthill/eahmed.htm




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