I don't subscribe to the Elders of Zion either. I only recognize the Torah. And the Torah is against the principles of this zionist movement. Israel is famous for trying to hide what it does. But there are others who watch. http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/a...3-11dd-a20f-af4976c1087c/mde150282008eng.html http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE15/021/2008/en http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE15/024/2008/en Does Polish ghetto ring a bell? http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2006/gaspd363.doc.htm http://thereport.amnesty.org/eng/re...rael-and-the-occupied-palestinian-territories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel And it goes on and on and on. You're a young man without much life experience. The world is alot different than what you've been told. Your brashness is just the kind of cannon fodder Israel loves. People who are willing to die for their country should at least be told why. The troops in both the United States and Israel are dying to protect zionism. Not our freedoms. We've already determined that zionism is a Jewish supremacy movement. It does not represent Judaism or Jews. Anybody who follows this pied piper will be lead to slaughter. You can defend Israel all you want, but the historical evidence of human rights abuses is long and extensive and well documented. Its not all sensationalism. We in the United States have dirtied ourselves by contributing funds to the ongoing extermination of those who call themselves Palestinians. If you want a reason to understand why we have terrorists in our hair, you can "start" with that. Political zionism pretends to be the defender of Israel, and it's slowly working it's way through the government of the US. When it consolidates it's power, it's going to serve you and I up as equals. You're either with them, or you're dead. I suggest you read up on the Jewish prophesies concerning the Edomites. The end for them (zionism) is not going to be pretty. x
I used to belong to Amnesty International, but I am glad I left. If the Palestinians want to stop being killed by the Israelis they should stop killing them. If they don't like the way things are in the occupied territories they should move. The Palestinian problems have been caused by their continued refusal to accept the UN Partition of 1948.
The Arabs in the Mid-East have 300 million people, and 98 percent of the land in that region, as well as the world's largest amount of oil. The Palestinians are Arabs, they have dozens of countries they could live in and be part of an Arab majority. The Jews have six million people and 2 percent of the land in that region. The Jews only have one small country where they are the majority, Israel. So you have one group with 300 million people, 98 percent of the land, and the oil, and another group with six million people and two percent of the land? So the analogy of the Arabs (even Palestinian Arabs) with the Native Americans is not a good one. The European immigrants heavily outnumbered the Native American Indians. _______ Also, the U.N. and most of the international community accepted the two state solution for the Jews and Palestinians in that area, a mostly Jewish Israel, and a mostly Arab Palestine. It was the Arabs, not the Israelis, who broke the truce in the late 1940s, and again in 1967, by invading Israel. If the rest of the Arab world (including Hamas and the Palestnians), would do what Egypt has done, and would recognize Israel, very soon peace and the two state solution would be restored. But Hamas and their ilk, as well as other Arab Muslim extremists in the region, have misled the Palestinians, and therefore the Palestnians live in poverty and war, instead of peace and prosperity. If the other Arabs who don't yet recognize Israel's right to exist, and the Palestinians, would do what Egypt has done, within a few years, Gaza and the West Bank would be a prosperous, peaceful country. The formerly war-torn Balkans in southeast Europe, the lands of Croatia, Serbia, and Bosnia, are these days at peace and starting to prosper. The same could happen with the Jews and Palestnians, if Israel was recognized by the Arabs, and the two state solution was accepted, as the U.N and most of the international community oriiginally wanted. ________________________ But xexon knows better than the U.N., or most of the non-Muslim international commmunity, or the secular and moderate Muslims, or most Americans, (the sorts of folks who would go along with that two state solution in the Jewish and Palestinian area). Also xexon is an expert on European history. Explain xexon, if you would, how the Holocaust to the Jews, the Gypsies, and German political dissidents, during W.W. II, didn't happen, and how Eisenhower and the other Americans who documented the Holocaust lied to the world about it. Only a few people in the Holocaust died, isn't that true? And sure, some of the people in the Nazi camps were sort of sknny, because of food rationing during the war, but not many of them died. Isn't that right? I mean the way Eisenhower, and the American government, and the Zionists, lied about the Nazi camps was just terrible! Only a few people died. They shouldn't lie about such a thing. Shame on them! _____________________ And xexon, if you would, explain how the Jewish Zionists want to set up a one world government, run by them. What would this Jewish-Zionist one world government allow? And not allow? And which Jewish-Zionists will be running it? Will the billions of non-Jewish people in the world, would the governments of America, Europe, China, India, etc. have any say in this one world government run by the evil Jewish Zionists? After the manipulative Jewish-Zionists set up their one world government, can Americans still fly the American flag, play baseball, eat apple pie and drive Chevrolets? Will the Jewish Zionists, after they set up their one world government, convince the 6.7 non-Jews in the world to convert to the Jewish religion? And what about the movies and tv shows? Will only Jewish people be allowed on tv, will we have to watch reruns of Seinfeld, Rhoda's show, Don Rickle's comedy routines, and Billy Joel concerts? Will be be able to watch Sex in the City? Or aren't those ladies Jewish enough? Will every resturaunt be forced to serve Jewish deli food? Can we still eat burgers and fries, pizza and nachos? Or perhaps just health food? And why is it that the Jewish-Zionists want a one world government anyway? They seem to be having enough trouble running Israel, the upper East side of Manhattan (considering the presentday housing market for luxuary condos), and the Hollywood studios! (especially considering the summer Hollywood blockbusters didn't do as well as expected at the box office. Those damm Gentiles, they should go to the movie theaters more often!) If we get a one world government under Jewish Zionist rule, will the various countries of the world then develop better space programs and boldly go where no man has gone before and explore the solar system like in Star Trek? If humans then colonize the moon, wiill the evil manipulative greedy nasty fascist Nazi-like Zionists then insist that the moon also be run by Zionists? How about people from other planets? Do those damm evil Jewish Zionists know any other evil groups of people from other planets? Maybe other planets have evil Zionists too, like the evil aliens in the Star Trek shows! Won't the evil Zionists at least let the Hindus run Calcutta, the Arabs run Cairo, the Mexicans run Mexico City, the Chinese commies run Shaghai, the Russian mafia run Moscow, the Gays run San Francisco, and the Hillbillys run Kentucky? Or do the selfish greedy Jewish Zionists want to run those places as well? I liked the Jews better when they just ran the east side of Minsk, and the south side of Brooklyn, before the Jews became evil Zionists who wanted to run the whole world, and after that the whole solar system! No seriously, what will the Zionists do once they obtain their one world government under their rule? Will they be evil or nice dictators? xexon, I would assume that since you believe that the Jewish Zionists and their people are nasty, I suppose you believe they would not be very nice dictators of the world. So how do you believe the Zionists will run this one world government of theirs? Jews are usually sort of liberal aren't they? (except for the orthodox Jews). Being good liberals, would they legalize marijuana, have affirmative action (except for Arabs of course, no affirmative action for them), and allow same sex marriages? Would America finally get to have universal health care, like every other developed civilized country has? Would they raise or lower the speed limit on the freeways? Would they make a rule that only Jews get to be lawyers or work at banks? What about sports teams, would they be forcced to have Jews on the teams, even if those Jews are no good at sports? Do the Zionists believe in high tech and alternative energy? And my last question, but not least, would the Zionists allow on websites people like xexon who has been critical of Zionists? Or would they send poor xexon to jail? Would they go out there to that little cabin in the dreary, rainy woods of the Pacific Northwest U.S., where amist the tall trees and the beautiful nature, the Zionists would arrest poor little old xexon and put him into a Zionist death camp, as part of their "final soloution" for the people who don't like Zionists! Those nasty Zionists and their one world government! They should leave poor xexon alone in his dreary little cabin with his little computer and his "anti-one world government run by the Jewish Zionists" websites!
I warned the forum earlier to expect the arrival of pro zionist spin doctors. New members are always suspect. Anytime you draw unwanted attention to Israel, they come. I can almost set a timer by it. This too, is history. And they specialize in attacking the messenger. Can you tell? x
The following link, with lots of pictures, will illustrate the Israel nobody here seems to know anything about. This is the TRUE history of Israel, and one that is being funded largely by the US taxpayer. That, is a history that needs to end. http://www.btselem.org/English/Photo_Archive/Index.asp x
But xexon you can't answer my questions or even bother to debate my points. So why even bother with you xexon. Your type of holocaust-denying, conspiracy theory nut, anti-American, anti-Israeli, anti-western, etc. sort of people are a dime a dozen, and not very convincing to most people. You don't have to be that way, but you are. I would suggest you could outgrown your obsession with Jews and Zionists and have a more balanced, well-rounded perspective of who the bad guys in the world are, but according to you, you are an old guy, and probably unable to change or learn that much at your age. I am not even sure if you are sincere, or even believe some of what you write. Some people just like to be contrary, and obnoxious about it. But so many of your posts are about the Jews and the Zionists. It gets redundant and boring. Of well, believe what you want I guess.
Like I said, they specialize in personal attacks. I have nothing to say to you. But my sig will speak for me. Bye. x
lol! Yes xexon, I am a secret agent for the CIA, working with the evil Zionists. lol! xexon, you can't even refute one of my points. So you just give up. You are such a pathetic, holocaust-denying, jew-baiting, radical loser type xexon. In what you post you are so typical of that type of person. I don't like bigots, and people who are apologists for terrorism, and lying holocaust-deniers like you. Therefore the personal attack, you deserve it. When you post the sort of stuff you post, that sort of ridiculous crap, such as holocaust denial, making excuses for Islamic terrorism killing innocent people, etc. you can expect that. And I am not the only one who has done it to you, alot of people are disgusted with your bigoted ilk. Actually, the Jews and the Zionists are small potatoes. What is actually happening is that America and the major Western powers and their allies defeated the German Nazis and the Japanese imperialists in the 1940s, then the Western powers and their allies defeated the Communist totalitarians in the Cold War, and now the Western powers and their allies, like the Hindus in India and the Russians and others who are having trouble with Muslim terrorists, will defeat the Islamic fascists. The Jews and Israel are a small side issue, they are a very small percentage. There are much larger and more powerful countries and forces at play regarding this issue. It is really, once again, the Western democracies and it's allies fighting against brutal bigots, and totalitarians. The Nazis were defeated, the Communists were defeated, now it is the Islamic fascists turn to be defeated.
The key to unplugging the zionists in power is exposing the atrocities commited in the name of the Israeli people and the US taxpayer. Let us reflect on the fact that Israel gets most of it's military funding from the US taxpayer. A sixty year history of cup in hand. When does this child grow up and move out? You need to know what your money is buying over there. And you need to voice your opinion over it on moral grounds if nothing else. http://www.btselem.org/english/Firearms/20080721_Nilin_Shooting.asp x
Eventually America will defend other countries less with our military and give less to countries like Israel, and West Europe, and Japan and South Korea,etc. We can't afford to do it much longer, especially with America's huge trade and federal budget debts, our growing health care costs and the growing number of uninsured, our deteriorating infrastructure, our schools, etc.. America in the future will have to start taking care of America more, and also not fight unecessary wars like the Iraq war. However, the modern democracies, all over the world; the western countries and other democracies, will stand together against totalitarianism, including Islamic fascist states like Iran, and also against Muslim terrorism. Even the liberals in western countries and other democracies believe in that, including Barrack Obama and the Democrats in Congress. On your next post xexon, why don't you show a link of innocent civilians killed by Muslim suicide bombers, just so people won't believe you are an apologist for Muslim terrorism.
The key to unplugging zionism in both the United States and Israel is public education, and a cut to the US aid that we send Israel every year. As long as Israel gets money from us, they will never have any incentive to change their ways. I'd like to see Israel stand on it's own two feet, without zionism and without US aid. It needs to begin somewhere. Might as well get started. It's time to push this poor little rich kid out the door. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19677.htm http://www.ifamericaknew.com/stats/usaid.html x
On that you and I agree, Israel doesn't need the money, they have money, and West Europe and Japan and South Korea are also wealthy countries who don't need our troops protecting them. These countries are wealthy first world countries, they need to carry their own weight.
xexon, You still won't condemn though Muslim terrorist actions against numerous non-Jews in the world, including Buddhists in East Asia, Hindus in India, African and European Christians in various countries, the Muslim genocide of Christians in the Sudan, etc.. Muslim extremists, in many countries, kill far more people each year than the Jews and Israelis do. Which makes you suspect as anti-Jewish, since you can't condemn horrible atrocities by others. You can always tell if someone is not just anti-Zionist, but also anti-Jewish, if they condemn bad actions by Israel but won't condemn far worse actions, with many more killed, by other governments or religions. Why single out just one small group who happen to be mostly Jewish, when far larger groups of other religions, kill far more people each year? Do you condemn the Sudanese Muslim government's genocide of Christians in the Sudan, which has killed hundreds of thousands of Christian Sudanese? (and please don't tell me that the Sudanese government of Muslims is run by the Jews or the Zionists. Or that most of the war, or evil in the world is because of the Jews or the Zionists).
This thread is about the historical record between Israel and the United States. As Israel gets my taxpayer money, their business IS my business. When they stop taking my money, I'll cut Israel loose. But until that day, I intend to show my fellow citizens where their money is going and for what reasons. It's time they knew the whole truth. When they do, the support for aid to Israel will end. It should have ended decades ago. x
True, this thread is about Israel and the U.S., but regardless it shouldn't have been that difficult for you to write that, "Yes, I condemn the Sudanese Muslim genocide of Christian Sudanese, and most of the evil in the world is not caused by Jewish Zionists". I doubt though, having read some of your posts, that you could ever admit that Muslims have evil people, fascists or terrorists, or that Jewish Zionists are not responsible for most of the evil in the world. You have too much of a bias, too much of an agenda focused on just one small group of people, who in the scheme of things are only a small part of the bad things going on in the world.
xexon, you also wrote on one of your posts on pages 6 and 7 of this thread, that you believe America is the "great Satan" and that you are planning on leaving America and moving somewhere else. That might be a good idea for you to do that. As you may have noticed by the long waiting list of people wanting to immigrate to the United States, there are many other people around the world that would like to live in a great country like America. With you gone, there would be room for one of them to live in America. Perhaps as a radical extremist who places most of the blame in the world on America, and it's democratic allies, you might like moving to one of the Muslim countries that you seem to champion so much. You wouldn't have much freedom in those countries, and you might end up in jail for something you write or say, but still you wouldn't have to live in the United States, a country you seem to dislike so much. So yes, I agree with you on that xexon, you should move from the United States. Maybe if you explain your poltical ideology to them, the Iranians will let you move there to Iran. You might like their government there, they believe in destroying Israel and they hate the U.S... Your sort of folks. So I agree with you on that xexon, if you want to leave the United States, you should! No one will stop you from leaving America. So go move from America to there. Do that xexon!
I think he would get the same reception as Lee Harvey Oswald recieved when he attempted to move to Russia.
lol! Yes that is probably true odon. xexon seems to take America and his freedom for granted. He may not get the reception he would like if he moved to Iran or some other mostly Muslim country.
