urinating on Quraan+bobming the Quraan (video)

Discussion in 'Islam' started by catstevens, Feb 17, 2006.

  1. Erasmus70

    Erasmus70 Banned

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    I cant possibly be the only one who thinks its 100% insincerely assinine for Kanye West to even pretend he is somehow being 'victimised' for anything at all.
    Because he fucked up on a telethon we are supposed to believe this 'defiant young man' is being 'cruxified' by what.. 'Right wing Republicans' LMFUCKINGASSOFF.

    Nice try Kanye Marketing Company.
    Idiots.
     
  2. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Thank you very much for these words.


    Link


    I didn't say that, nor I am thinking this way regarding this thing.



    Because such people are unfeeling, insensate, insensible, insensitive in my opinion, and there is a nation, Islamic nation. People have peace and love in their deep but some of them ignore it or suppress it, they don't turn it on, some don't know how to turn it on :(, it is stupid to treat people this way.

    Lyric: I believe, Artist: Joana Zimmer

    Now everybody,

    has a right to be living their lives...oh

    but we're a long long way, a long way from paradise.

    If there was freedom tell me why everybody wants to fight...oh

    'cause we're a long long way, a long way from paradise.

    You might be strong enough,

    you might be rich enough,

    you might be blind enough:

    to push it all aside.

    No matter what you do,

    it keeps come back to me and you

    Chorus:

    Give a little bit of love and you get it back,

    give a little bit of pain, you're caught in a trap.

    for every little thing that you say or do,

    give a little bit of love and it'll come back to you.

    You got your reasons,

    but are yousure they're reasons to be right?..oh

    'cause we're a long long way, a long way from paradise.

    We must be strong enough,

    we must be brave enough,

    we waited long enough

    now it's time to say goodbye.

    We got some rules to bend,

    too many lessons to be learned.

    Chorus x2

    Ohhhh....

    I belive in peace and harmony,

    you got to belive in love

    before you can be free

    so take a hand

    everybody make a friend

    I want you to belive in love

    like I belive

    Give a little bit of love... love

    a little bit of pain... pain

    give a little bit of love... alittle bit of love

    Chorus x1

    Give a little bit of love

    a little bit of pain

    For every little thing that you say or do,

    give a little bit of love and it'll come back to you.

    It is all about Peace and love









    May Allah bless your tongue, bless your soul.

    Freedom is a lie, read the news you will find numerous ugly double standards. BTW there are members who are contradicting themselves and have double standards and their own judge and views concerning some issues, No comment.


    You are focusing on a few deeds' of people, this is ….

    Cerberusè Burning flags is a far worse a crime [NO comment]





    !!! I don't know why it doesn't function with you, many members watched it.




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    Yours Sincerely,

    Cat Stevens
     
  3. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    BTW: I EDITED THE ENTIRE THREAD
    Share the creatures: Respect, Peace, Mercy and love
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    Note:Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!


    Yours Sincerely,

    Cat Stevens
     
  4. Anaconda man

    Anaconda man I am not a hippy

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    You're welcome, me and you are very angry from different sides about this whole west against east issue, and disagree A LOT on these issues but one thing we both have in common is respect.

    Peace.
     
  5. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    very logical, very rational
    may Allah bless you and bless your soul, Amen
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  6. Erasmus70

    Erasmus70 Banned

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    You can act as peaceloving as you want Catstevens, but like the real life Cat Steven - you are only interested in peace if it means Islam is accepted and all others reject their Bibles and their support of Israel.
    If you knew that the violent overthrow of the West would guarantee the world would fall under the House of Islam - you would support that fully.
    Its only because you know it cannot work (right now) that you walk about with an 'olive branch' acting like a sweetheart.
    Maybe Im wrong but I doubt it - Islam smiles while holding a Scimitar behind its back.
    Thats the rule.
     
  7. lithium

    lithium frogboy

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    That's a powerful little film, shows what the dangers can be when people start believing they are acting on the will of whichever god they subscribe to, and brings home how important it is to keep religious beliefs out of politics.
     
  8. Erasmus70

    Erasmus70 Banned

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    There is no distinction between politics and religion in Islam.
    Thats what makes Islam unique from Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity etc.
    Religion is Politics is Religion is Islam.

    Do you understand Im not telling you that people are just using Islam for Political purposes in the same way governments have done with Buddhism or Christianity?

    Understand Im telling you that you are supposed to and should have one with the other in Islam
    Islam IS government as well as spiritual.
    That IS what Islam IS.
     
  9. lithium

    lithium frogboy

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    I think you are referring to Islamism; not Islam per se. Islam is a faith; Islamism is an Islamic fundamentalist political movement. You can be a Muslim without being an Islamist.
     
  10. Erasmus70

    Erasmus70 Banned

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    Then you are not much of a Muslim.
    Islam is a fundamentalist political movement.
    A Muslim has faith in the political, sociological and economic and spiritual aspects that are Islam.
    A Muslim in a non-Islamic nation can only practice the religious and spiritual tenents though.
     
  11. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    Erasmus, you are such an ass. Double-standards galore. I fail to see how your religious beliefs are any different. Christians are trying their damndest right now to politicize christianity. No homosexual marriage, politicians holding rallies in churches, people praying to god for supreme court members to die so Bush can fill them with religious conservatives, Judgement Sunday for christ's sake! Do you think Jesus would have participated in crap like that?? hell I could go on quite a while.

    You also must have had a very short history class, because it wasn't long ago that christianity was completely politicized and an ingrained part of theocracies. But you still practice your religion...yet cannot understand why other's practice their's?

    You religious folk need to start analyzing your own community with the same ferver that you go after other beliefs or ideals. Clean your own room before you start trying to clean up other's.
     
  12. Erasmus70

    Erasmus70 Banned

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    and my advice to you would be to go STFU and sit down.
    You dont even realise you are the favourite tool of these people right now and are nothing more than their little b***ch doing their dirty work for them.
    You even begin to think you have a complaint now then I suggest you live in Iran for 10 minutes.
    You cannot even begin to believe the horrors you will experience before you beg for your executioners to bring you death.

    So please go and beak off about stupid shit like how you cant marry another chick as if its some inglorious burden on your freedom to have special rights too.
    You dont even know what your talking about (as usual).

    Athiest living under Islam.. your the FIRST to go you fool!
     
  13. lithium

    lithium frogboy

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    Nope; that's Islamism. Of course fundamentalists say that anyone who disagrees with their interpretation of the faith can not be "true believers"; fundamentalist Christians do exactly the same of moderate Christians.
     
  14. Erasmus70

    Erasmus70 Banned

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    Nope. Thats Islam.
    There is no comparison to Christianity, Buddhism or Hinduism.
    While all three of those have been 'used' by people to invade and dominate other nations, subjegating them under the 'Flag of Buddhism' - you must 'force' those scriptures and teachings by twisting and turning them into something they are not.

    Not so with Islam. The Koran says a lot of different things so its always easy to find an 'opposite' to any crap Muhammed came up with and later contradicted but having said that - you can and SHOULD most CERTAINLY war in the name of Islam.
    Islam is a POLITICAL and SOCIOECONOMIC System as well as a set of Religious Rituals which are Mandatory and earn the follower his or her salvation.

    Totally different than almost any other major world religion I can think of.
    (Judaism being a rather tiny religion per capita speaking).

    So, again, you can certainly be of your opinion that the 'Irans' and 'Talibans' are the ones who are not the true believers but somehow the moderates are.
    I strongly suggest that the Koran and its Author Muhammed DISAGREE with that.

    Now, if you are telling me you reject the Haddith and believe they are inaccurate and untrustworthy then let me be the first to congratulate you on that.
    The Haddith give the most disgusting, violent, terrorising, sick and downright evil lessons on murder, rape, torture, child raping and stealing I think I have ever heard of in my life!

    The Koran already has enough to say and believe me - this IS NOT a case of just some description of an atrocity.
    This is not just 'Horrible events' being described but not condoned.
    No.
    This IS WHAT IS THE TEACHING FOR MUSLIMS and these are what Allah is supposed to be saying for all to follow as part of their political/military/religious life called 'Islam'.


    www.prophetofdoom.net just throws together a few examples.
    I dont give a damm about whether or not that website is good or not - Im interested in what the Koran has to say and does say and teach as a guide for Muslims who will Submit to Allah:

    Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’”

    Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

    Qur’an 8:15 “Believers, when you meet unbelieving infidels in battle while you are marching for war, never turn your backs to them. If any turns his back on such a day, unless it be in a stratagem of war, a maneuver to rally his side, he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell, an evil refuge!”
    Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”



    Qur’an 8:45 “O believers! When you meet an army, be firm, and think of Allah’s Name much; that you may prosper.”

    Qur’an 8:57 “If you meet them in battle, inflict on them such a defeat as would be a lesson for those who come after them, that they may be warned.”

    Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think that they can bypass (the law or punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot get away.” [Another translation reads:] “The unbelieving infidels should not think that they can bypass Islam; surely they cannot escape.”

    Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”



    believe me .. that is NOTHING compared to the non-stop rape, looting and violence which Allah is said to command.
    Again: This is not describing something people did or some lessons about how they feel (which may be against Allahs will).
    No.
    This IS WHAT ALLAH TELLS THEM TO DO AND THEN ENCOURAGES IT AND LIKES IT!

    Congrats Muhammed.. you read the Jews Bible and you really showed them by making your version of Tribal Wars WAYYYYY More Extreme!

     
  15. lithium

    lithium frogboy

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    Yeah that's the case with the old and new testaments too.

    Please enlighten me as to Allah's socioeconomic policies! This is blatant nonsense. Islam is used as a social and political movement; the name for this is Islamism. Nothing in Islam it makes it a recognisable political or socioeconomic movement in the way those terms are commonly understood. No more so than anything in the Bible makes it a political socioeconomic movement. I might point out that the bible also contains some hideously backwards and contradictory teachings, which, when used to back up political ideologies have resulted the same kind of atrocities which occur when the Koran is used in that way. People can certainly use religious texts as a basis for political action but you'd be hard pressed to regard them as a coherent political or socioeconomic system in themselves. Their very contradictoriness would seem to disqualify them from being viewed in this way.
     
  16. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    You are such an idiot, especially if you think I have any less problem with islam than I do christiainty. YOU obviously don't know what you are talking about. Being egotistical and illogical AS USUAL.


    Get over your stupid us v them mentality. Just because I call you on your bullshit doesn't mean I wont call bullshit on other's. If you doubt me read my posts about this rediculous rioting over cartoons, or my post telling CatStevens the very same thing I told you when he was upset about some jews here in the U.S. fighting a muslim church that is being built.

    I'll even make it easy for you:

    http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2217413&postcount=9
    http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2203326&postcount=32
    http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2197765&postcount=25

    Erasmus, you make an ass of yourself just about every time you hop on these forums, and you are the only person that doesn't realize it. I'm sure you enjoy the little world in your head, but the real world is an okay place too, why don't you try it sometime...The last person I need to hear from about how the world works is YOU.
     
  17. Erasmus70

    Erasmus70 Banned

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    Lets talk about making an ass out of yourself.
    Consider this:
    You are running around free as a bird to be an atheist, a woman doing and saying whatever you want, promoting homsexuality and criticising Christianity and your own government with any and all degree.
    You are enjoying free speech on this American made invention called the Internet.. an astonishing idea that ideas can be instantly shared across the planet by any and all.
    Hmmm?
    Think about that... thinnnnk for a minute.
    Ok.
    Now, decide how you think you would be doing in your choice of a Muslim dominated nation.
    Even pick a more secular and progressive one closer to Europe, like Turkey.
    Hmm.

    Hows that feel SeraMichele?
    Exactly.
     
  18. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    A few hundred years doesn't absolve you of your own religious history. The place we live now is in thanks to free-thinking people like me who stood up for the rights of the little man against religious and political oppression and terror coming from religions like yours. You harping on Muslims because of their political oppression is like Hitler harping on Saddam for oppressing people. Basically, it is the pot calling the kettle black.


    So what point are you trying to make here? Because I think you have no room to rag on muslims for their religious beliefs you think I don't like or appreciate the freedoms I have in my country? I don't think you have any real point. Maybe you think that Islam is bad, but under your same standards you would have to call christianity bad as well - it is guilty of all the same crimes. Not to mention Islam could easily go the same way as christianity and in a few hundred years not be as voilent and more at peace with a diverse global community.
     
  19. Erasmus70

    Erasmus70 Banned

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    Every once in a while the only appropriate and need reply is:
    ROFLMFAO

    Im assuming you are 15, so you wont remember that old skool net expression.
     
  20. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
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