United States Federal Government Shut-Down

I am open to the idea and it doesn't, IMO, defeat the purpose. The trolls would still be able to sprout off here.

 

So, trolls are just folks that don't buy into your rhetoric? So much for free dissent. Are you sure you are not islamic? Those are the tactics employed in arab nations.

 

No, trolls are people like you who contribute nothing to a conversation but just spout off the same things all the time. Like I said, I often disagree with Sig and PR, but I still find value in their posts.

 

I have recently learned the value of the Ignore List, which I call the Bozo Filter.

 

Proposals were offered to the Senate and rejected, so this "shutdown" is the fault of both sides. It's only that they ALL missed the deadline. And with this slimdown, we've lost the Fed Parks, and non essential workers. Ha, non essential.....now there's the proper term for much of government. Bottom line, presently we're saving money.

 

- - funny, but there are non-essential and essential parts of gov,t, right?

 

Why do you think we're saving money? I hear the opposite.

 

A government shutdown does not mean an Obamacare shutdown. Even though Republicans are pushing for changes to the Affordable Care Act, it is funded in such a way that it will continue even if there is a partial government shutdown. This means the “exchanges,” where people can search for coverage plans

In fact, a shutdown will cost the government money. Shutdowns that lasted about 22 days in the Clinton era cost about $1.5 billion.- I dont see why this would be different - -Maybe you could explain?

 

HF has closed group discussion provisions built in, which nobody seems to use anymore.

I don't understand why some people here get by with accusing everyone from the opposite point of view of being a shill, which (if true) is grounds for a lifetime ban from the forum.

You're too busy to be bothered with finding out anything about the vast differences between the two parties' positions?

Yes, parks and museums are nonessential, along with almost everything else except bread and water. Is that the kind of life you want? Not me.

 

Karen, i intended it to be cynicism...

you know, like, those guys are there to put out the fire when things get hot, but then what, they're "non essential" ?

to bad fire season is mostly over, then under current circumstances i'd say, ya, those guys could stand and watch a fire burn and show how 'non essential' they really are.

 

We're still paying insane amounts of money to them though. That's why the White House says the slimdown "doesn't matter," it'll matter when the people throw all the criminals out of the House on their asses!

 

islam is not the same thing as the politics of 'arab' nations.

 

But all the victims would be ordinary people who have done nothing wrong.

Would you mind if somebody let your house and everything you own burn completely to the ground to make a political point?

 

The government is non essential. I believe the entire government can shut down, and society will still function. It's not absolutely mandatory that government steals most of our money. Cops, fire dept, roads and, military are all made up of the people. The funds, come from the people. The governments the middle man, only instead of giving money right to these important programs, most is wasted on foreign aid, wars and, programs that we really don't need at all!

 

Of course.

Are you confusing me with someone that it serious about statements like "the government is non-essential" ?

 

No.

 

good

ya know, it's not like fires haven't just been left to burn people out.

http://www.whittierdailynews.com/ge...ation-fire-could-have-been-contained-early-on

I watched as a squadron of aircraft fought that fire on the rich side of town (granted JPL was in danger, but still) while Big Tujunga Cyn went up like a BBQ, taking two firefighters and dozens of homes with it.

http://wildfiretoday.com/2009/09/29/the-blame-game-begins-after-the-station-fire/

politics invades everything the government does, and i've seen it close up so skip the lecture please
is it possible my snarky little comment made in agreement with your premise got put in the same group as some of the other more sillier ones?


ya know, i'm thinking now. maybe STPLSD is right, maybe we don't need government agencies. we could go back to the old subscription-based fire departments. you know, where you had to pay "insurance" if you wanted the fire department to come put out your house.

 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.

Bottom line, no, we are losing money.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...tions-and-answers-about-the-shutdown/2888419/

 

we're paying people to ensure that visitors don't enter parks and memorials that have been closed. We're paying people to keep something closed because we didn't get a budget passed to pay people to keep it open.

This sums up, on a micro level, the inefficiencies and mismanagement that plagues this country's government.

 

It all depends on how you do the math, because each side apparently has their own these days.