United States Federal Government Shut-Down

Oh now it's irrelevant...You were making a point about inflation I thought.

 

I was, but you're nitt-picking on exact price, when that's market value, and doesn't reflect actual buying/selling prices. If I had a 1 ounce "Year of the Dragon" silver round, I could sell that for over $40 easily.

Therefore, I think I was being fair with $40. There are ounces that are worth that and more. Plus, silver and gold do fluctuate; That has nothing to do with it becoming worth 'less.' It has more to do with supply and demand and, government manipulation of the economy. Gold is worth $1321 per ounce right now. It's not $2000 like it was last year, but it's never gonna drop to 1990's prices, as long as we keep on a fiat currency. Gold consistently goes up, not down. People who argue otherwise are too fixated on regular financial bubbles, to realize it.

Prices are a good representation of how our money devalues. Everything has gone up, and the middle class is becoming poorer, due to: Government manipulation, fiat currency and, over-taxation. I stand by this totally.

 

You are taking about the collectable value of the coin, it has nothing to do with the spot price of silver, it only has to do with how many of that particular mintage is available to the collector. Who cares if it's a 'year of the dragon' , it's true worth in real time is the spot price of that quantity of pure silver.

If you want guage inflation by the price of silver, you have to look at the commodity, and even thats not an accurate reflection because of manipulation of the market.

yes it has to do with supply and demand but it's still the trends we look at in the commodity, not the price of an un-circulated 1904 golden eagle or something.

 

Silver is usually sold higher than market price. Again, it's only going up, it may have slight decreases, but consistently it's going up.

 

Well it's probably more stable than gold anyway.

 

Then you'll love this even more: "non-essential" was deemed, apparently, too demeaning, so the congr. & W.H. marketeers & P.R. wonks came up w/ "excepted," "unexcepted."

Very cute, "except" that "excepted," "non-excepted" already have specific, very different meanings in fed. employment. Besides which, elected types & their appointees are not truly fed. gov. (in the sense that the career civ. servant is) & so are exempt ("excepted") from the whole furlough biz. For the first time in my x-number of decades life, I am truly convinced that our gov. (elected officials, their staffs, & appointees) do NOT know what they are doing.

 

Less than 20% of the government is actually shut down.

They want us to believe we are saving money by keeping these offices and parks closed. But we are spending more by setting up barricades and paying these security goods to threaten and harass veterans and protesters who are trying to get in. Plus many towns and communities that rely on park tourism are losing money rapidly.

 

Where did you get that idea?

The Republicans may actually get off their asses and do something this weekend, because the latest opinion poll shows their approval ratings at the lowest level at any time since such polls were first taken. This thing is blowing up in their faces.

 

Well people aren't receiving the money they were promised. DHS is still up and running, as well as, military. The government is not truly shut down, and it's only fear and a weak economy, making people upset. Of course people are mad they can't get their foodstamps, Veteran benefits etc etc etc.

However, we are living above our means anyway. People act as though the National Debt doesn't matter. Some people mention the GDP, which is truly just expected increases. If Obama lowers the GDP, everyone praises him, yet, our debt has skyrocketed under him.



Obamacare will just screw the taxpayer more. You're blaming Republicans, meanwhile, this mess is just as much the fault of Democrats. They've been spending our money like it's going out of style, and worse yet, wasting it. If you still believe Democrats are less evil, less violent, less invasive- you're wrong.

Obama might as well be Bushes clone. He lied to get in office, is sponsored by Banks and elitists, perpetuated the war on terror and, violates the Constitution with every other law.

People who still defend him, must still be caught on his campaign propaganda. It's time to wake up, and see what he's doing to this country.

 

Lets see

The fact that government has selectively cut the less significant programs and services, while fully funding the others. Especially the ones that are hated by the majority of Americans. The government isn't doing this to save money. If they did why not cut military spending? The military is pushing on harder than ever. Why haven't they downsized the amount of NSA spying? I'm sure that costs a lot to keep tabs on every American. Why not lay off every TSA chimp and allow a private security company to take over airport security during this downtime? Why aren't they allowing Arizona to reopen the Grand Canyon with state-based funding? Why are they PAYING to build fences with armed guards around town square monuments?

They're doing this to rattle our cage and demand they push the current bills through without compromise or revision.

The healthcare laws are a fucked up mess that need revision. They were written by the insurance companies for the insurance companies.

 

The Japanese have the cheapest healthcare in the world. They simply ban profits for insurance companies. Too bad our leadership is unwilling to follow their lead.

 

They never said that they were.

 

It costs 7K just to start a business in America. Insurance companies wouldn't exist without profits. I know I wouldn't dump money into a company, that was meant for someone else.

Plus, that's not what I read. I read that the consumer pays 30% and the government pays 70%. So that's just more government spending, when we really don't have that kind of cash. We're living far beyond our means.

I have the opposite idea- I think we should abolish medicare, and government paying our insurance. I believe the reaction would be a more competitive market, making prices drop. This is the case with anything, when introduced to the free market. When government pays it- they'll pay whatever. That's why insurance, college tuition and, other government-mandated programs prices are sky high, while market prices drop.

 

Who gave a thumbs-down to Karen_J's response? She simply stated a fact, not an opinion. Anyone who gives a thumbs-down to a fact is crazy.

 

Maybe they gave her a thumbs down because, she constantly disses on Republicans, while supporting Democrats. When they are just as bad, if not worse.


Maybe they did it cause they thought she was acting snooty. Maybe they did it, cause although she doesn't support the government shutdown, she supports leadership that deserves to be shut-down.

Or, all of the above.

I know government didn't do this to "save money," it's all political postering- a show if-you-will.

It was probably set up, to make people believe we "need" government, and, among certain groups, it worked fantastically.


All this contributed a little to her thumbs down, but wasn't the primary factor. The main reason I gave her a thumbs down, is because she totally ignored my post, yet has plenty of time to make pretentious statements like these.

I pointed out how disasterous Obama has been, but it's never his fault in the eyes of Democrats. So much so, that she wont even take the time to read or respond.

Obama is the new Bush, and some people don't see it, because perception is reality, and he lies better.

 

You were answering a question I had asked someone else. Your answer didn't even fit my question.

I"m not required to respond to anybody's posts. Trust me, it's best that I ignore most of yours.

 

Sounds like someone from the left even wants to control STP's responses? When will they learn? They are not the thought police. obyscare is the cyber equal of the DMV. Iknow you libs love gubmint confusion ; but really?

 

"Ignorance is bliss." isn't it? That was the Motto of "Big Brother" from the book "1984" too.

You didn't want to answer my post because you realized how you look, supporting a war mongering traitor. If it was Bush in office, Liberals would be screaming their heads off.

Instead, you act like Bush supporters did- Ignoring the truth, blindly following and, arguing by saying "If you don't like America leave."

It's actually really funny to me, to see just how much the roles have shifted from Republicans to Democrats- While, NOTHING has changed from Bush to Obama. Only, you guys worship Obama, and the ground he walks on. It is soo ignorant and uninsightful! (I'm not calling you that, but this view is.)


If you support Obama, then you support: taking away the Right to protest government, taking away/fighting against the 2nd Amendment, the same war mongers that controlled Bush, you support taking away our Liberties for security against a tiny group of extremists, you support 20,000 Drones being used to perpetually spy on us, Unconstitutionally, and, you support the Federal Government being Judge, jury and, executioner; With no fair trial.

I can go on and on. But I know your type, and, I already know your argument.

"I don't support that stuff, Republicans do."

You idolize Obama, who supports all that stuff and has signed the "Laws" to prove it.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/ndaa

https://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/hr-347

 

We know (I think most have worked out yours, too - hence: 'Trust me, it's best that I ignore most of yours.')