Uncircumcised or Circumcised?

BABY BLEEDS TO DEATH AFTER CIRCUMCISION
Miami, June 26, 1993
The Miami Herald reported the death of 6 month old Carol City baby, Demetrius Manker. Manker bled to death after being circumcised.

"I can't express the way it has affected me emotionally," the child's mother, Louise Manker, said. "It's something I'll never get over. This was my last child." A Miami pediatrician circumcised 25-pound Demetrius Manker in his office. After his mother took him home, she saw he was bleeding from the incision.

Manker subsequently called the doctor several times, according to their attorney, Patrick Cordero.

"One of the instructions was that she put Vaseline around the penis area to stop the bleeding." Cordero said, "she followed the instructions to the letter."

Louise Manker's sister grew so alarmed by his continued bleeding that she called paramedics, Cordero said. He was pronounced dead at the hospital.

An autopsy showed that his liver and other organs had gone pale from the loss of blood, said Dade [County] Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Charles Wetli.

"The message to get across is that this is weird, unusual," Wetli said. "I've done close to six thousand autopsies and this is the first I've seen where a baby died from circumcision. It's probably the safest procedure you could think of.

An autopsy revealed a seemly normal circumcision, Wetli said.

The doctor who performed the surgery, Robert D. Young, said the circumcision had gone well. "I would not have let him go home if I didn't think so. Medical examiners will confirm the soundness of the operation.

Authorities say they will try to determine if the baby suffered from some rare disease that prevented his blood from coagulating. It's also possible that Louise Manker did not understand the extent of the bleeding, especially because a baby has a fraction of an adult's blood supply, Wetli said.

"There's two parts to the story," the deputy medical examiner said, Why was the child bleeding? And secondly what was the level of communication if the mother said he's bleeding but didn't say how much.

 

I have never been with an uncut boy, but I wouldn't cut my sons. My boyfriend is cut but I love him anyways

I plan to be a midwife and I think most of the clients who would come to me wouldn't plan on circumsision anyway, but I wouldn't recommend it if they asked.

It just seems so cruel and inhumane. Almost sexual abuse.

But as far as penis's go on adult men, I don't care. If isn't their fault. I can't say which feels better though, I would assume uncut.

 

I just don't understand what part of circumcision is NOT sexual abuse.

 

I agree, just didn't phrase it correctly.

 

Well, I am 20 years old. If I want to pierce my ears or pluck my eyebrows that's my business. I'm not strapped to a table and screaming.

I don't agree with piercing babie's ears either. Even two or three year olds. Let them pierce themselves when they want.

 

well nicely proven, yet the crazy ass carismatic(sp) catholics feel that it is like tradition, even if they dont have to they do it anyways.

i am aware i am being bullshited, catholics dont follow catholosism at all, anywhere in the world, even in rome there are less people going to church.

 

^^^^... i dident think i was arguing it? i was just stating my observations and what not. and none the less i think u just agreed with me?


but what is all comes down to is cut or un cut its still a PENIS, it does its duty and i for one am greatful. so whatever.

 

My fiance and i were discussing this last night. He's uncut, but was saying that he wishes he was cut. I very quickly gave him all the reasons that I'm very glad he's NOT.
I've been with both circumcised and uncircumcised and i much prefer uncut. They look better, feel better and they're much more fun to play with. He is a LOT more sensitive than the cut men that i have been with.

 

Circumcised looks much nicer and works much better, without considering that it is also much easier to keep clean and tidy....
My current boyfriend is circumcised....and he's the first circumcised I have.....
I wish I didnt have to wait for so long before getting one like his!!!!

 

I repeat!: no man needs to take a woman's aesthetic preference into consideration when opting for the state of his penis. I keep repeating this as a mantra because there are still uncircumcised males who opt for the knife just to 'please' their woman. It is none of her business. I have never asked another person to mutilate their body for my sake. I wonder if the above woman will have her female daughter(s) cut apart in the chance that later in life they might fall in love with someone from east Africa? As in "Sex & the City," the attraction fades as does the union if a major part of it swirls around circumcision. Lya must have found the last men on earth who had never heard of soap and water! As for 'works better,' maybe a little basic sex education is in order.

 

we keep having arguments on this issue

Im sure we have guys who are cut and uncut who have great sex lives and are very happy and there are women who like both types ....but really should you do this sort of thing to a baby I mean you may love being circumcised but there are some guys who really dont like having been circumcised without their consent .

now even if this is a minority of guys why take the risk that your kid will be one of them .

a person can allways get circumcised at later life , I dont believe that it would hurt less as a baby in fact I think its likely to hurt more as a baby as your smaller and it would come as more of a shock .

there have been a few cases of babys dieing while having complications with circumcision its rare for this to happen in the west, but it can happen so really why not just leave it .

where I come from the only people who get circumcised are jews and muslims, and in some cases they do it for medical reasons, but its pretty uncommon no one I know as had problems by not being circumcised and its not that people in europe are all backwards or cant afford it , its just not something thats not much needed .

 

I have been with both and far prefer the extra skin. It just plain hurts more without gobs of extra lube to have sex with a man who's been cut. I see no reason to trash men who've been circumcised, but I do see a strong reason to trash parents who allow it to be done to their sons now that we understand what is being taken.

 

very very rare a adult knowing more about his penis fuctions well even think about circumcision.

 

I remember my parents having this discussion about my little brother. Fortunately for him, they decided against it. I have no idea whether my Dad is or not, that's not the sort of thing you ask your father. "hey, Dad, can i ask you a question?" lol. I've seen a video of it being done to a baby. It was horrific. I came away thinking , holy fuck, how can someone do this? It wasn't my child and i felt awful, i couldn't imagine doing it to my own baby. If, or when i have a son, there's no WAY he's getting it done.

 

A new born is givin a shot in the heel of Vit K/ our bodies
natural blood coagulant, prior to being "Cut" a local is
givin, the most the baby feels is pressure only,
someone mention "Stupid religious customs", well it was
to signify a covenant (Promise) between God and the people
of the time. As a California Accredited Lic Nurse, as well as having
worked L, and D (Labor and Dilivery), but! God commanded that it was to be
done on thee eighth day after birth, some questioned why not 6 days, why not 4 days, due to this being writen 2-3 thousand yr's ago how could and
one have known of the (K) factor, again at that time, only now
has man/women have the tech. to show that on thee eighth day
after birth our (K) natural coagulant is at it's zenith, it will never be at that level again, hense 8 days to control the amount of blood loss/complications.
A third of the Bible is health care, ex: If someone was ill
they we're "Put out side the camp/city wall for 7 days" before allowed back in, we call this today quarantined....
As far as right or wrong, ? , I'm glad my son and I are the way we are,
for it really comes down with feeling good about one's self.
Thank you,
D ~

 

The religious reasoning is certainly acceptable, a decision made with spiritual consideration usually is. Although Jewish acquaintences of mine (Reform) have opted for a surgeon vice Mohel, and have instructed, "just a sliver off to keep the Covenant." That way 9?% of the foreskin remains intact. Monk's girl - your dad probably was not circumcised, as Australian medicine never lost touch with European/British custom and education the way U. S. medicine did and has. Less the Abramic instructions, my opinion remains set in concrete: mother nature knows best how to treat babies - leave 'em intact!

 

NO!!!, it doe's have a lot to do with being "sanitary", if an individual
doe's not clean frequently you get; and again this is rare, but doe's happen,
you get a pus like occumilation, which can, and has turned to infection,
leaving one in pain, not to mention the odor, as a Med/Professional, I see what I
see, and heal the best I can, and in instruction, keeping thee area clean as well as dry is madeted in the healing process, and given accordingly.

Also, hundreds of years ago, when Meryvn's wasn't close to opening,
the fore skin was a protective piece of the male anotomoy, due to
abrasive textured cloth, thee surrounding environment where sleeping on the ground was not uncommon. I agree having a Johnson rubing a burlap sack
all day is going to lead to redness, loss of epidermus, and eventually lead to
and infection if not properly cared for, a fresh pair of cotton "Hanes", with a
shapely, but not to tight a pair of "levis's", new pair of fresh "Nike's/Rebox"
and heading to the mountains for the weekend, I'm cut and confident
a little hicking amoung the rocks, and trails between the tree's before
a prime rib lunch lake side is the right thing for me.
Having seen many dismemberment, arms/legs..., an "Un-Cut" always
appeared to me as if it was caught in something, and ripped off, leaving
shredded skin, and maybe it didn't start out tough textured, but like
walking bare foot, of working on a nice brown tan, these too take time,
and hundreds of years ago, I'm positive; not just due to study/pic's,
there we're many a callus, rougher tone to that no longer needed skin,
one man's educated opinion, foregoing all the lingering adolescent rhetoric.
Thank you for your time, as well as any repies I may recieve.
Peace,
D. Knight ~ Icarus

 

Yes most peoples first reaction to the sight of blood of even
a surgical procedure is one that leaves one with thee impression
"This is Wrong", here is a way to compare by, for many that have had
their appedix removed..., do you notice now that it's gone?, even
during routine lap's, (The cutting within thee abdominal area), we many
times remove the Appendix while we're there, so!, decreasing the risk of future
Appendicitis, leading to peritonitis, and then inevitable Death, something
many people only a hundred years ago died from daily, again just another
calm, no side taking mans educated opinion.
D. Kight ~

 

I've never noticed this. If you'rs smells like overripe cheese then you need to take a shower more often, jeez. Uncut penis' do have a smell, but so do pussies. I like the smell when my man starts to get aroused. It certainly DOES NOT smell like cheese.

 

Bravo!. Ezra. Bravo! and Monk's girl, don't fall for bugs and his disciples of anarchy. Everyone; refer to out 'sister' thread about female circumcision, if you wish to understand the inanity of 'circumcision' as something (anything) to curb sexual expression. Puritans in one form or another from east africa to california. No wonder one of the oldest semetic descriptions of male circumcision is 'jewish mother's revenge!'