Ukraine & Russia

Probably has nothing to do with this...


"An operating agreement on shale gas production between Ukraine and the U.S. oil and gas company Chevron may be signed in March 2014, Ukrinform has reported. Therefore, Chevron will be able to actually start development of the Oleska field in Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk regions." - See more at: http://www.oilandgaseurasia.com/en/...reement-march-–-minister#sthash.RpruUfrJ.dpuf

 

Figured as much.

 

The situation worries me.

Basically, we are looking at a situation where you have a nation (Ukraine) with an ethnic minority (Russians) who are, in one or two defined areas (the Crimea, and one of the regions of eastern Ukraine) in the majority.

You then have a revolution in that state, under which power passes from a government which was by and large tolerant to that ethnic minority to one which may be perceived to be less so (whether rightly or wrongly, I cannot say, because I simply am in no position to judge) and inevitably people start to get twitchy.

And what bothers me is the example of the various local ethnic minorities in the immediate aftermath of the break up of Yugoslavia - especially, but not limited to - the Bosnian Serbs.

I suspect that the same example may be bothering plenty of people in both Ukraine and Russia, too. And even if there is nobody out there who is remotely thinking of embarking on ethnic cleansing, that is little comfort. Because if others perceive, or fear, that they might be, then that can be enough to light the tinder box, even if the perception or fear is totally irrational and unfounded.

Watch and pray, my friends ... watch and pray.

 

I'm no great supporter of the world economic infrastructure,but let's hope in this case that economic interests stop this crisis from escalating.The situation would be a lot different if Ukraine had joined NATO in 2010,as we would have been technically obliged to send in the military to counter Russia's forces,making the scenario much scarier still.Although it must be said Russia would probably have stayed out of it if this had been the case.One would hope so,anyway.

 

Internet news in the North America is under siege of hackers. I believe myself the problem is that western news agencies must present the virtue of selfishness, OR pay the consequences of despairing Russians even more than Ukrainians into racist intolerance.

What the heck maybe muslim tolerance or something like that will rebel and adjust the planet to North America minding it's own business.

 

completely false. Paet only quoted hearing rumors that ''snipers responsible for killing police and civilians in Kiev last month were protest movement provocateurs rather than supporters of then-president Viktor Yanukovych'' (Guardian). there was no ''uncovering of evidence'', there was no allusion made that the West was behind the shootings. (see how people twist the facts to make it look like someone now has actual evidence rather than just quoting what they heard elsewhere).

although, you don't exactly have to go to Kiev to hear rumors like that. and the Estonian FM surely made a mistake in spreading rumors through official channels, something a government official should know to do better than that.

as of Guardian:

here's an authentic source for the phone call between Estonian's Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and EU Representative Catherine Ashton :

http://www.vm.ee/?q=en/node/19353

Estonia condems russian conduct and presence in Ukraine:

http://www.vm.ee/?q=en/node/19346&ref=avaflash

it is regrettable that people are jumping at any chance to twist the facts in this situation to spread false information, while people from Ukraine, Ukrainian and russian, those allegedly needing protection from russians, have overthrown any such suspicions.

 

Watching Kissinger talk about it on Charlie Rose. I am struck that the entire conversation revolves around the correct geostrategic moves of Russia and the West (notice that Cold War terminology is now back also), and no discussion of what is correct for Ukrainian human rights and international law.

Also this:
John Kerry Sits in Kiev Cafe Awaiting Woman Known Only as "Dasha"

 

Some people wanted and still to this day want to break up Iraq, according to its ethnic groups. The same people wanted to break up Yugoslavia, according to ethnic groups. America and the other western powers nearly wiped out the Gadafa tribe of Libya, and handed power to the Warfala tribe of religious fanatics. In Afghanistan, America wants a secular government, at the same time doing its best to exterminate the Pashtun tribe. In America, the native inhabitants have been exterminated by a variety of government programs. In Israel, nearly all the Jewish population has been relocated from other countries to that small chunk of Arabic speaking land. Now the new world designers want us to believe that they know what is best for the Ukraine and its ethnic minorities.

 

"A variety of government programs" have returned. Isn't just indians now tho is it? Ahahaha!

 

Thanks Oddapple, you are right. They want more than just Indians now. But we might end up like all the kids buried at Blue Water School.

 

I just look at this and remember when I criticized NASA for letting the Shuttle program drop, relying on the Russians. Having Russians is great, but NEVER allow them to be in a spot where they can checkmate your ass. Because they will when the time is right. And that's about where we are now. The Russians are our only way to the ISS which might as well be the Russian Space Station now.

I saw earlier that the Russians also sank one of their own ships to create an obstacle in the harbor.
When the Russians start sacrificing their own ships, seeing that they aren't rich, to further a fight, it means these guys are serious. Russians are hard fighters. Even I won't fight a Russian.

 

The ship was probably due to be scuttled anyway.

 

Unfortunately, I'm not able to comment on individual posts at the moment.
But these links might be of interest to some people. The same thing can be
found on other genuine Western sources, but this is a Canadian based one that makes some good points.

Its been mentioned earlier that Moscow and Kiev (and most of the Ukraine. were the same country for most of 1100 years. To continue, thats over FIVE times the length of time the USA has even existed. Kiev and Moscow broke with Communism in 1991. They then formed the CIS, which even competed as one country in the Olympics. Kiev would NEVER have been allowed independence if it was to become a neo-Nazi perscutor of Russians in land that had been Russian those 1100 years. Accordingly, the Ukraine coup leaders have broken the agreement made with Moscow in 1991. Therefore, Moscow is within its rights to formulate a new approach. Infact, on human rights grounds its possible it will have no option.


US BEHIND THE COUP TO INSTALL NAZIS AND EXTREME NATIONALISTS

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-uk...special-forces-in-ukraine-under-cover/5372257

AMERICAN HIRED GUNS INTIMIDATING AT DEMOCRATIC PROTESTS OF THE "WRONG" IE ANTI-MAIDEN TYPE.
http://rt.com/news/popular-uprising-eastern-ukraine-314/

US STATE DEPT TELLS ANOTHER PACK OF LIES IN CLAIMING THAT NAZISM IS NOT PART OF THE COUP
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukrain...ecurity-economy-justice-and-education/5371539

WORTH READING.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-bac...-reserves-threatening-war-with-russia/5371649

NUCLEAR NAZI STATE IN THE OFFING.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukrain...eapons-well-regain-our-nuclear-status/5371524

Some people claimed they couldn't understand why Sept 11 happened.
Well my guess is that one day, something could happen that would dwarf Sept 11 in the US. An islamic nutcase somehow learns how to build a suitcase nuke?

When you overthrow democratic governments to feed a hunger for power, you make enemies. When you install Nazis, to terrorise people on their own land, you make even more enemies.

Bathhouse Barry and his Brussels cronies have managed to restart the Cold War. No winners, only losers- unless you're a Nazi, or a NATO war-monger. Because lame, power-thirsty dinosaurs can't help themselves. Think of the financial and human misery caused by the squandering of trillions on the Iraq genocide. Now think how much more is going to be wasted thanks to Bathhouse Barry and his geopolitical prick-measuring contest.

Well done Barry! NOT.

 

Although I'm with you on a lot of the issues here, it might be better to post news sources that are non Russian. Otherwise people may think it's just Russian propaganda.

 

Shuttle- They were working on newer versions when Obama nixed the program. Granted, it may take a few years to get them up and running now, but had the Space Program been left alone, we would have those up and running, now. Maybe Russia can do it cheaper, but we can do an awful lot more than they can, and the shuttle could stay up a lot longer than they could or can (not counting their own space station, of course).

Russian mine sweeper- Who knows. They don't call the Russians "Crazy Ivans" just because, you know.

 

Thank you Black Bill,

I've lived in America for decades and will be the first to tell you that news sources in America are for the most part propaganda. I read news from other countries then do my best to sort through the mire. In the documentary film "Coverup" you can see, and hear, a man on the street say, "They make laws that are for us; and they never seem to apply these laws to themselves." So, in a nut shell, they seem to tell us some of the news, or the twisted news, or out right lies, so they can control us, and separate us from our money.

 

Is anybody seeing parallels with what Putin and Russia is doing with Ukraine, and what Hitler and Germany did with Austria, and then later Poland which started off WWII?

Even down to the logic of it "Because there is a certain part of ethnic population in that country, therefore it's rightfully ours".

 

Good observation ~

 

Yeah, me too. This is the first I've heard of that, and I've been following this on all the cable news channels.

 

If the USA says it is wrong for Russia to take a part of Ukraine, why is it not wrong for Israel to take a part of the West Bank?